Ali Horriyat - Creating change
Resilience UnravelledSeptember 30, 202456:0589.86 MB

Ali Horriyat - Creating change

Keywords

Resilience - Philanthropy – Creating change – Compassion - Leadership

In this episode of Resilience Unravelled, businessman turned charity founder Ali Horriyat, talks about the limitations of traditional philanthropy and the importance of compassion and community-driven solutions.

Ali is the founder of social activism non-profit Compassiviste, and he shares his personal journey from the profit driven world of finance to the realisation of the emptiness of his pursuit of wealth and power. He describes how he had a breakdown and decided to take a break from work to travel to Ecuador, where he experienced a different way of life that inspired him to shift his focus towards making a meaningful impact on the world.

Main topics

  • The limitations and challenges of philanthropy and the inability of individuals to create significant global change
  • The moral conflict and inequality within society and the importance of compassion towards those in need
  • The concept of Compassiviste
  • The importance of a unified system where the whole ecosystem works together
  • The need for artists to connect with their audience and use their platform for a greater cause
  • The concept of capacities which aims to bring communities together globally for the betterment of all
  • The importance of political involvement and lobbying to enact change, with a focus on creating a critical mass to effect change
  • The need for leadership in movements to effectively address issues
  • The concept of leadership and its role in society
  • Should a leader command ans control or guide and facilitate?
  • The role of money in society and its potential to divide people due to differing beliefs and values
  • The possibility of a future system where people trade based on their compassionate needs
  • Community-driven solutions to address societal issues


Action items

You can find out more about Ali and Compassiviste at https://compassiviste.com/

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[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, hi, hi and welcome back to Resilience Unravelled and particularly looking forward to this week because I met my guest a little while ago and we were chatting away and I suddenly discovered he's in London, which is, you know, it's around the corner, isn't it, Ali?

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So my guest is from London, it's Ali Horiap but he's got a very interesting backstory in terms of his geographical progression to the world's grimiest city.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So first of all, good afternoon to you Ali.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello and thank you for having me and you are right, we, you're just north of me.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is funny in some countries isn't it, you know, to be 300 miles away is round the corner and here it's a different world.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it's like stepping back into 1943 when you come up here. So it's quite interesting.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: True.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Well look, I'm excited to hear what you've got to say to yourself.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you start off, kick us out into your sort of personal history. What's, tell us a bit about yourself.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, quick personal history. I was born in Dubai but in 1977 which means it was a desert. It was not the Dubai you see today.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I got shipped quite early on to Switzerland to boarding school because you know, schooling systems there versus Dubai at that time.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And I did a bit of schooling there, but it's going back home and graduated at that point.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: There really weren't, you know, well known or established universities in Dubai like there are today today.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: There are many branches of universities that exist in Dubai.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So I moved to Canada, Toronto, and I started the university there.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Mind you, I was 16 years old, you know, going to first year of university as a kid.

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And so did that between US and Canada, economics degree. The funny part of the story is this.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So I did my economics degree like most other people from my region, you know, you come back home, you get into the family business, you marry somebody known to the family and you go on with your life.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Now I've been raised partially in Europe and for a while in Canada.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So my thoughts had changed and I said, no, no, I'm not going back home and marrying someone I don't know.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't like working back home because when I came back, again coming from the other part of the world, there was a lot of things that didn't resonate with me.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the labor conditions and things like that back then.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I couldn't do it. I really couldn't do it and I couldn't do the marriage thing either.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So I thought the only way I can escape this without, you know, being hated is to say, I want to pursue my education and they love it.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, parents always love it when you say, I'm going to do more schooling.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So I went back and I did the philosophy degree because I had taken all my electives in philosophy.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I really had to do one, two semesters and get a degree. So I said, I'll do this and I'll see what I'm going to do after that.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_00]: That led to a masters and then a masters in political science and then an MBA by just extending my stay so that I don't have to get married, escaping marriage, so to speak.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so and then a postgraduate degree and conflict resolution and international relations.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: After that, it was either PhD or really starting my life and I did not want to do the PhD.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's four years of like tiny little specialization which I didn't like because I liked my education to be very broad.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I really didn't like to kind of focus on one tiny element that I'm an expert in.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And so at that point, you know, I sat my parents down and I said, hey, I'm not coming back.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I like it here and I want to see what I can do.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And so at that point by then they'd given up.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, I was over and so I started looking for a job couldn't get a job because at all these qualifications like a whole paper roll of qualifications but no job experience whatsoever.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Never worked a day in my life. Never had a paycheck. Nothing.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually never had a paycheck.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah. And so I started, I thought, okay, I have a little bit of money left over and I understood a little bit about Forex and the reason why it wasn't because of trading.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It was because when I was in school in Europe and you know, those years everybody from Dubai kind of went to Europe for the summer and there was no Euro then.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you had to do it. Mark French, Frank Swiss, right?

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Every like corner had a different currency and you had to exchange for those all the time.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So you kind of learned as you went along as a child.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I thought, I know a little bit about this stuff and gold and whatnot.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So I took the little bit of money that I had and I started trading.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I did really well for myself.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_00]: My friends started looking at me and say, Hey, Ali, you're driving a Porsche.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, Yeah, it's, you know, from the trading and they're like, really?

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, Yeah, and they start looking at the account like he's, you know, doing well every month.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Can I put some of my money with you?

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I said, Sure. But you know, there is risk like sometimes I've lost and they're like, Yeah, that's fine.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But overall, you're doing well.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, Sure. One thing led to another, you know, friends of mine classmates start telling their family members, I had people's grandparents, you know, refinancing their home and putting money into that until one day, you know, the regulators.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to mention the regulator.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. They contacted me right. And they said, Can we speak to you?

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I said, Sure. Yeah. And I didn't know what it was about.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And they said, What are you doing? And I said, I'm trading.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, You can't do it this way. And I said, What do you mean?

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: They say, You have tons of money coming from all over like different cities in North America to your account and you're taking this personal account and putting it in here.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_00]: No, you have to register the session. It's a fund. It's a physical fund.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You can't just like, you know, and I was like, Oh, I can't. No, okay.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I went into a lawyer went through all the hurdles to register a private fund did that.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And literally three months after that, they came back to me and they wanted to charge me for fraud.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, What for? And they said, You've been doing consistently well at a level that you shouldn't be doing.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So it got thrown out because there was no fraud involved.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just lucky or good or whatever you want to call it.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: That triggered the growth because all of a sudden like, who is this guy that was doing so well that they thought he was cheating?

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So then a lot of people came. That's when the accounts like bloom and it went into, you know, the high numbers.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: A few years of that really excited, happy in the beginning because I was making a lot of money by a bigger home by the nicer cars.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Take the trips around the world. Everything beautiful.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And then it started becoming kind of like the concept of diminishing returns where you know, you give a child an ice cream they love you give them the second one.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_00]: They're still loving a third one. They think you're crazy but they'll still have it even though it's sickening.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But then you give them the fourth one. They'll still have it. They'll just puke after and the fifth one that is sick.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: So but they'll never say no was the same concept with me. I never said no.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I just kept taking and taking and earning and life became shallower because I couldn't spend anymore.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing more to buy. I literally go into a store in this alley within bring anything new yet and I turn around and leave.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how bad it got for me.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And being in Dubai for a certain amount of years and being in boarding school for a amount of years.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really get into the alcohol and the drugs and the gambling scene because it didn't exist in any of those like I never saw it in my life right during those years in Dubai believe it or not there was no alcohol like you'd really have to be in a restaurant within a hotel that served to foreigners or people you know to have alcohol it wasn't on the streets like today.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And so you never got to see it. And so luckily I didn't get into that so I didn't have that kind of you know diversion so to speak.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And I needed, I just started you know crumbling and few catalyst moments later I decided I need a break, a real break like from work not a vacation not a five day trip but a real work.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So that happened. I actually decided I got to do this because I'm breaking down literally here in my head and I drove through the airport I remember that day clearly drove to the airport and walked in and I look at the departure screen to see where am I going to go because I had no clue this was an immediate thought and very spontaneous and so I get I look at the screen and everything's

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: leaving in about eight nine hours later and I thought I'm going to bail there's no way I'm going to wait at the airport for eight hours and hold my cool and actually get on that plane I'm going to go back home.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: There's only one flight going to credo Ecuador. And that was in about two hours and I said I gotta go. You know what that's the only way I can get myself on a plane.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I bought the ticket I got on plane I thought it was like six hours away because that for some reason I thought it was just next door to Costa Rica wrong me.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You know half a day later flight. I'm in Ecuador, and I got to see life in a very relaxed happy form when I was there.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: You know people just enjoying life like being able to sit there and take in nature and the beauty and just like, you know take it down a notch.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: That's when I realized I don't want to do what I'm doing anymore.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Slowly from there.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I took a break the office was running. I took a break.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And I went on a few little trips island hopping and whatnot.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_00]: That's when I really realized that I want to do something that has impact something that really makes a difference in the world as opposed to just coming to the world and leaving and leaving behind a bunch of money that gets repurposed to something else at some point after I die.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Then I thought to myself, all the passion that I had to be on the Forbes list or all these like, you know, capitalist goals that people have.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Do I remember who was the richest person 1988 or 1992 or no, you know, I don't who do I remember.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember Jesus I remember Gandhi, you know, these are names you remember you remember my memory you remember these kind of people, you know, these are the people who impact the world.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I thought, I want to do something that impacts the world. I'm intelligent enough.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not, it's not egotism is not kind of this overconfidence or anything like that it's really just an knowledge based on experience that hey, I have a bunch of education have been successful at the things that I've been doing in my life.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Why not challenge myself to something that's meaningful purposeful because I believe in me and I believe I can do it.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I thought, okay, I'm going to start on that route.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's when the biggest crash happened because I immediately realized that my entire life has been a kind of a tyranny of money.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been dictating everything with the power of my money throughout my career.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And so here, when I wanted to purpose change it was kind of like, Ali sees it this way this way it shall be because Ali has money and Ali's going to fund it.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And I started becoming like those cynical billionaires who try to solve Africa.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, exactly like that.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: That's when I realized just like some of my friends that I used to help through detox and rehab and stay with them for weeks at a time to really help them because I cared.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I need to do that.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I need to detox.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I need to go to rehab, you know, do rehab, but my addiction was money.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't drugs.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't alcohol.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't gambling.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't none of that.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It was actually money.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It was my attachment to money and everything, every decision, every choice, every moment of confidence I had was in money.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I thought, okay, I got to move away from that money to be able to reestablish myself and reassert my confidence from within.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And was it an addiction to money or was it an addiction to the outcomes of money, which is status, power, possessions, things?

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It was twofold because I didn't need the show.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So believe it or not, until I started Compassibease, which we will get to in the next moment, the next chapter of this twist.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I never had Instagram.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I was not the guy who was posting my Rolls Royce on Instagram or posting my trip or, you know, the Michelin Raider restaurant I was having dinner at.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: That was not me.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody knew.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I lived my life extremely quietly.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I dated celebrities nobody knew about.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was very under the radar in a personal way because I was brought up that way.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my boarding school and my lifestyle essentially and my upbringing was always about don't show.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not appropriate to be a show off.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I lived that way.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, it wasn't really the power that money brought.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It was actually more influential for me to walk into a place and have them say, hey, I'd like a table for tea time.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So we have reservations three months in advance.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So you're not going to give me a table?

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: No, call the general manager of the hotel say I'm here at the tea templates.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Can you sort a table and see him running down that gave me more power than to kind of flaunt my wealth or, you know, do any of that thing.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So I was very confident in that way getting everything I wanted.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't really, it wasn't about the show.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_00]: What appealed to me was showing myself my success through the measure of money.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was about Ali, you're intelligent.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Why? Because you just made a million dollars this month.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So you must be intelligent that it was always this reinforcement.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It was never reinforcement of Ali, you just solve cancer.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You're intelligent, you know, because I didn't have that.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't I didn't have that avenue.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I was not a doctor.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I was not an engineer.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So in the finance and philosophy background that I grew up in political science background that I grew up with, it was really about power and economics.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's interesting, isn't it?

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Because because there are people who have your gift of making money and the measure of money and what they do is they create foundations involved in job, involved in charitable foundation and charitable work.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So they continue doing what they're good at and measure that the way they are.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But they make tangible change in the world quite quickly.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess that's Bill Gates' foundation has done something wrong those lines.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So, yes, I mean that I guess when you come to thinking about so how do I make my impact that must have been something you considered.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I did at a time.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And so during when I was making a lot of money, I used to donate and I used to be involved and I really see them as two different events because

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: my donations were purposeless.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_00]: They were for the ball.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean you were there with the Prime Minister and other people at a dinner $15,000 a table, you know, things like that.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And you're at these gallows and events and you're there for there.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_00]: You're really not there for for the cause because I was writing checks to causes that were abbreviations.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even know what they stood for.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was writing hefty checks for them.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: So that was one part of the philanthropy for me.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It was the fun.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was business.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you spend $50,000 but you meet three clients that are putting in $20 million into your business.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it's kind of like playing golf.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: The second part of it was the involvement.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So I was personally involved in a certain causes that were personal to me.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I cared about and I used to kind of be involved in them, but they didn't make change.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, because you would need one person on every street to be doing what I did to make a real global change like that.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't happening.

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that collective power was not there.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So Ali funding a shelter that's going to take care of six dogs is not going to change anything at the end of the day.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It makes Ali feel good because he's like, Oh, Ali did this.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Ali, yeah, Ali is really, you know, but it's six dogs.

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So at this point for me, it was like, I did that.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen how it works.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen how it fails.

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen how it's just the tax write off at the end of the day.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to make impact.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to make a real change.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And so when I realized that I can't make real change because I'm doing the same thing.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm dictating change.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So you mentioned Bill Gates is a really, really amazing example.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Bill Gates dictates change.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't give a collective power.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So he doesn't, he helps, for example, their causes in Africa, they go there and they help what they think works.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: They don't go out there and put money in a bucket and say the community can use this bucket to make the community better.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_00]: That is collective power, but no, not many philanthropists are doing that in the world today.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: It's always like, I know what's best because I have money.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And because I have money, everybody has to listen to me.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of the addiction to money for me.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You have this measure that brings you one step closer to God.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_00]: You're superhuman in a sense.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And what's interesting is because it's become a thing, isn't it?

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Does the Just Give Cash program in Africa, which is basically you give people $2,000 or whatever in their local community and you say what do you want.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, what they do is they immediately spend it on the things they need but also rejuvenates their local community because people are spending locally.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And it makes a lot of sense.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And what you hear is, oh, we can't trust those people because they might just run off and spend it on the things we don't approve of.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, well, you know, there you are.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what human beings do, isn't it?

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's quite a moralistic...

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I think a lot of charity is quite moralistic in its starting point, isn't it?

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's one of the challenges, isn't it?

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not pure.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not actually charity.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's funding with strings attached in a way, isn't it?

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You see all of those things were going on in my head at the time.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_00]: How do I disassociate these things?

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_00]: How do I bring charity or I don't even want to call it charity.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_00]: How do I bring community together?

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's essentially what it is.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason where I should live in the home that I was living in.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And mind you, I was living in 104 acre property with a house that was over 20,000 square feet with my own private lake.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_00]: In the same city, there were people in the thousands who did not have a place to sleep, who were children.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're living in a community and you're a charitable person and you have the means financially to support other people,

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: this inequality should not exist morally like you as a person should not be able to sleep in that size of a property.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So that was the conflict that I was kind of fighting, right?

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_02]: But now you're taking on the entire idea of the Western capitalist society where an unfilathrumped...

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Trousers would be there.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And you look at people and you say, well actually you have to help people who are really rich because actually their job is to be as rich as possible

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and they do it on the backs of people who are poor.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And poor people need rich people to keep them poor and rich people need poor people to keep them rich.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're all involved in this beautiful sort of dance of victim and bully, aren't we?

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Where everybody knows their place.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a very interesting...

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And so what's interesting for me is someone who works in Africa in education to see how many people see their philanthropy going to Africa

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and a lot of people in Africa are way ahead of what's going on in the sort of more developed worlds.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know where we've got into this mindset.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know whether your point is about, especially in the US, politics is...

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, CharityPers really more about saving tax than it is about genuinely doing something that's good.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is all, doesn't it?

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So you decided to do something that's very different, didn't you?

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Just to sort of pull you into the subject of our conversation.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So what is it you actually decided to come up with?

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So first I decided I'm going to give away all my money.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And not for charity. That was not a charitable reasoning behind it.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It was Allie, it was for me. It was for Allie.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And what it was for is I needed to move away from this hierarchical position that I had placed myself in because I had the money.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean everywhere I spoke with, they're like, oh Mr. Allie, let us show you our program and all that.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Why? Because Allie was running a few billion dollar fund.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So obviously he's going to come in with a few million dollars here.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's open the doors, show them the best day, make all the kids play and joyful and laugh in front of him.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Shower everybody the night before so they're prepared. That kind of stuff, right?

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I thought this is all a lie. This is just a presentation.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the best presentation they have.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And...

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Probably washing.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm sitting there enjoying it. I'm eating all of that up.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So that was also wrong. I decided I have to be poor myself.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I decided I'm shutting the fund down. I'm giving all of it away.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Call my lawyer, I said that and he thought I'm crazy.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And when I say he thought I'm crazy, speaking of capitalism, it went to the point that he challenged me legally.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I had to get a doctor to say that I'm in a sane right state of mind to make that decision to shut the fund.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Because the board thought I'm crazy.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I won and I got to shut the fund. I gave people back their money, believe it or not.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Some of those people were friends of mine for years.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't return my phone call after that because they said,

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you cost me my life because I put my money with you and I bought this other home in the Bahamas

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and I was paying it with the money that I was making.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And now you like how am I going to pay the mortgage? That's not my fault.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_00]: What if I died? Like how do you make decisions like that?

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So anyways, long story short, I give away all my money.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're talking my personal money after everything was shut down and after I got sued and all that stuff and cleared all of that.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I had a little over $100 million and I just gave it all away.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was homeless for six weeks.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I slept on train stations and parks and just fun places for six weeks.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_00]: One time and I was in a train station.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_00]: A gentleman came by and he looked at me and he started speaking to me in Turkish and I didn't speak Turkish.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I understand a little bit, but I don't speak it.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, I'm not from around here.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And he said Syrian and I said no.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was just about to say, you know, from Dubai or from Canada.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't say that.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're like, what kind of homeless person is from, you know, those countries?

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I said, I just said no.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he said, what are you doing here?

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, oh, you know, I just traveling and I just wanted to sleep on the streets.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And we tried to communicate with each other, you know, broken languages.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And so he's like, do you want to eat?

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, sure.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, okay, come with me.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And we went to this place where, you know, they feed the homeless and the poor and he gave them, you know, his card as ID or something and he got food.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And he starts speaking to the lady there about getting me food as well.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And she said, where's this card?

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, no, he's traveling and she's like, no, we don't feed travelers.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, a whole argument later, he just left.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he came to me and was like, we eat.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, but that's your food because I understood what happened.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, no, no, no, this is for the both of us.

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't even want me to know that they wouldn't give me food.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And he split his food with me.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we're talking all of his wealth at that point, right?

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's all it was that meal was his entire wealth.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And he split that with me and we ate together.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So that day I left and, you know, I start, that's when capacities came to my mind.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_00]: That was the moment where I remembered it has to start with compassion.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to start with compassion.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_00]: That is the essence of all humanity.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there would be no humanity if there was no compassion.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_00]: There would be no life because the easiest meal is your newborn.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_00]: If there was no compassion, which is eat our newborns,

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_00]: which is give birth, eat our newborns, right?

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And every animal will do that.

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_00]: You see the most ferocious animals.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_00]: They don't do that.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_00]: They don't eat their babies, right?

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So compassion is where it starts and feeling.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought compassion is just a feeling.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_00]: This gentleman could have passed by me and said, oh, poor guy, you know,

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_00]: new guy, he's sitting on the corner.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad for him and go by.

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I could have started to death.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that he acted on his compassion, he said, no,

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I have to see if he has food or if he needs help.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And he took me with him and fed me.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the activation of compassion.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So when I see a homeless person in Toronto, you know,

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_00]: do I just give them a cup of coffee or throw $5 at them and walk away?

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Or do I stop and say this is bad.

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It's minus 30 degrees outside and you're sitting here on concrete.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is not good.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I need to help you.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And do I act on it?

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Do I say, let me find you a place to sleep.

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me fix your life.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me help you.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Let me sort out what the problem is.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Why are you homeless in the first place?

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Do I have that five minute conversation or just throw money and walk away and feel good.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's where Compassive East came to mind because compassion and activism and those words,

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, put together, we don't have a word like that in English or any other language.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We just don't have one word.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So I created that word, Compassive East.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Now it stops with the T.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the fun part of it all.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Why is there an E at the end?

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: In French and Arabic and many languages, we have a feminine form to things.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So for example, you know, for those who speak French, you know, car is what you vehicle what you and it's la, which means she, you know, it's feminine.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But in English, we don't have that car.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So there's no, you know, there's no gender to it at all.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no assignment.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I really believe all of the compassion comes from our feminine ways of approaching the issues we have that we have to resolve in the world to live in a harmonious world.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, in my world, there were a lot of men, there were less women.

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember back then, I had a woman who a colleague not working with me but another floor, but same field of work.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_00]: We were having coffee once and she was saying, does it bother you what we do?

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And I never thought about this way.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, why?

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I make good money.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Why would it bother me?

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, well, every time I want to, you know, trade gold, I'm really sitting there praying for disaster because that's what specs gold.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, gold doesn't go up because everything's happy.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Gold goes up because somebody, a huge terrorist attack, 100 people died.

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Those are huge earthquakes somewhere, 1000 people died, you know, a big war broke out.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Some disaster has to happen for gold to like just shoot right up or Bitcoin for that matter.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So in a sense, you're praying for someone to die for you to make money.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, crimeing the conflict.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_00]: You know?

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And essentially, she's, yeah, you know, I don't want to name names, but exactly that.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And so, and so, you know, you're doing that and a lot of people made billions of dollars off exactly what you're saying.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And so she said that and it started triggered me.

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I said, hey, that is exactly what it is, you know, we sit here, we wait for conflict so that currencies fluctuate essentially, and we make money.

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And we anticipate that and we speculate that.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so sad that we do that.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's, you know, your feminine power thinking versus the masculine power that's like, yeah, die, you know, go after it.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Let that tsunami hit further.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_00]: What other cities are going to hit to?

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, you're competing all the time and you're competing in a deathly way.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So here I really, really believe that the feminine within us has to be the commanding mindset.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And so the birth of capacities.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_00]: That's where it started.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And over the last three years, I've really expanded capacities from this idea of building a collective where people can join and communities can come into this collective and we can support each other.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Financially, as well as bringing people who can bring something to the table other than money because money itself doesn't do anything.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Money is a conductor, but you need the momentum to use that conductivity with.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So if I bring a million dollars to the table and I really don't know anything about infrastructure for a place that requires infrastructure, then million dollars is really not going to help that much.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But now, assume somebody who is the best city planner in the world comes in with that million dollars.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Now it becomes smart money all of a sudden that money has intelligence attached to it, right?

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So when we build a community, we're not just pulling money into it.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll put a dollar, you put a dollar, you know, say we have 10 million people in our community, there's $10 million coming in every month at just a dollar a person a month, which is really affordable for that amount of people in that class.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: That can create a lot of changes, but it can only do so when we kind of categorize people within our communities to say, hey, you guys know about medicine.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So here's the $2 million budget for, you know, the medicinal stuff that we need to do to make this a harmonious society.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And I decided to really bridge all of that together in our octopus design.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So the Compassive is Octopus is basically designed on a philosophy of Spinoza.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how many people know about Spinoza, but if you don't know about Spinoza, definitely go and study Spinoza SPI NOZA is a philosopher.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And here's, you know, when they ask Einstein what God do you believe in?

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_00]: He said, I believe in the God of Spinoza because essentially Spinoza said, you know, everything in the universe is God and everything within is attributes and extensions.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I believe the octopus represents that, you know, it's an animal where it's got this big bulbous brain in the big bulbous head.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's got, you know, these little brains inside the tentacles.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So when it wants to eat, the big brain tells a little bit of, hey, I'm hungry.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_00]: The little brains come together and they're like, okay, you three start paddling, you two search for food and you get the food when we get to it.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And they work in unison.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the ecosystem kind of works together to feed the whole.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And I figured that's the kind of ecosystem that I want to build.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So we put in publishing.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_00]: We put in music.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: We put in film.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_00]: We put in arts.

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_00]: We put in a kitchen.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_00]: We put in a carbon labeling program, which is imagine nutrition label on your products now having a carbon label so that people can with the education can now come to the table and become better consumers by knowing what they're really impacting.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And they're not being fooled by, you know, the greenwashing of companies through capitalism and several other programs and our, you know, dialogue and everything else.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So the idea became to allow people to express through the arts in the manner which the arts were originally meant for.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure you remember live aid, the concert, you know, it did a lot.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It did a lot through an expression of music.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Ethiopia kind of changed, you know, Princess Diana.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_00]: She did a lot through expression of her compassion to the call when she shook hands with the AIDS patient.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I still remember that I was a child.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I still remember that.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That was the moment where I turned to my mom and I said, hey, don't tell me not to touch rails.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_00]: anymore because she shook hands with somebody who has AIDS because my mom before that was kind of like, you know, it was the beginning of AIDS.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody knew what it was about.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't sit here.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't stand there.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't just touch this.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't, you know, bring your own fork and knife to the restaurant.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: People were gone crazy because they had no education.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_00]: She came out with one move, change the world.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So the arts is all about expressing how we can come together and progress.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So in our music program, we want to do that.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_00]: We want to have the concerts.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_00]: We want to have the events that bring back life aid, heal the world, those kind of things as opposed to, you know, a band today having a concert.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a billion dollars in revenue for the year and you don't see one banner of a cause or, you know, nothing.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_00]: What's the music about?

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_00]: What is this tour about?

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Please explain to me what does it mean when you're on stage for you?

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you connect?

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: What are you bringing?

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So I want to take it back there.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's what CompassiVis is about in every one of its field.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It's about taking it back to the community and to the betterment of every community and to make this global community because we're no longer in a space where these sovereign archaic ideas exist anymore.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_00]: This Westphalian, you know, idea that we structure our politics with.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just nonsense if you think about it.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're going through a presidency in the US right now.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, the whole situation going up.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Trump could be president.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Camilla Harris could be president.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know, but one of them is going to be president.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you tell me sovereign lands, Trump's presidency should have no effect on Europe.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Is that so?

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to have huge effect on Europe.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So does the whole world vote for the US?

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_00]: How does it work?

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what CompassiVis is about, bringing us together to really have the compassion to feel all of us together with the animals, with the environment, with life as a whole.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry about all the passion, but it gets me riled up to talk about it.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I don't ever apologize for passion.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So, but in the very nature of saying that it's for everybody.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So in other words, it's mutually inclusive.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But you're also, I mean, I'm also hearing that it's actually not for some people because it's actually not for people with power.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not for people who are part of the existing system in a way.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So you're actually saying it's for certain communities, not all communities.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And something matter with that because I mean, who cares?

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe I'm just dancing around a semantic point here.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But but I'm just wondering, so how do people join?

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you?

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there must be.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So for example, if I'm a multi billionaire and I'm a bit of a fascist and you know, I believe he is an interesting organization.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Got tons of cash.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get in there, exploit it, build a book, build a structure, figure out how we stodge tax on all the profits and such like, I mean, would you have me?

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the first thing is, I've actually walked away.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is documented from $150 million investment.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_00]: One shot.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_00]: $150 million in my hands.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I've walked away from it exactly because of that, because the person was fascist and it would not support what I was trying to build.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And I told my team were ready, literally some of them were ready to hit me.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, you can hate me, go home, sleep on it, come back tomorrow, curse me.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't matter.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You can hate me.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine for a moment.

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_00]: But you will thank me one day because this is exactly how we lose our power.

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We give up our power so cheaply to the people who know the value of what we're trying to build and who want to use it to move their machine.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're not trying to move their machine.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to move the whole, the whole is not one person.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So that episode kind of killed me with the billionaire club.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, a couple other people just fizzled away that I had contact with and I understood why.

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So that happened.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And today I'm not looking for that.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking for primarily people in the developed world of Europe and North America because these two groups, let's just call them two groups.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_00]: These two groups have a tremendous effect on the climate change issues that really push the other issues.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, the whole situation with immigration and refugees and all of that in Europe.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, a lot of it is because of climate change.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: People just don't realize a lot of it is that, you know, when, when you have no food anymore in the South, you're going to go north in search of food.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just simple as that.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_00]: How many immigrants do you think London can handle or Paris or Berlin?

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't blame fascism growing.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, France had to go through a chess game not to let the right take power, right?

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that to go through some like, like a movie just to just to hold on to power.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_00]: But what do you think is going to happen in 10 years?

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But let me ask a question if I may, because in order to have power to have social power to affect any change, you have to be involved in politics.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean politics and small.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_02]: There has to be lobbying.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: There has to be you have to whether you like it or not, you have to work in the world in which you exist and how many moral, moral campaigns have founded because actually they don't work in the real world.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look at just stop all of the UK and this is like that.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: We've lost support because they haven't figured out how to make the message relevant.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, how do you counter the Trumps, the old bands, the AFB in Germany?

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: These are people who are powerful people at one power power's sake.

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and in a sense what you're doing is you're trying to conflict or construct an alternative liberal philosophy.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And liberal might be wrong.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So forgive me if that word has strange connotations.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, it's got you've got to get power from somewhere.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to, you've got to create a rolling a critical mass to be able to affect the change you think of changing.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So I love history.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And I've realized that good leadership that cares touches the masses and the masses were traditionally the groups that cause revolutions.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And so you look at the French Revolution, you look at India, you look at independence of countries.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's generally been the masses that, you know, really pushed the change.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And so you look at, for example, you know, Bangladesh over the weekend, you know, they had a huge situation because of tyranny, essentially.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. And who came out the students, you know, the masses, essentially, you reach the masses.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_00]: The masses mostly want one thing.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_00]: They want to live comfortably.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to be billionaires.

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_00]: They just want to have food, have security and live in an environment where they can send their kids to school and not worry that they're going to get shot by that afternoon.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. You get in some kind of health care.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_00]: You give the masses this most people are happy.

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to want more if you give it to them adequately and honestly.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think if you tell the masses, this is a possibility, but we need to band together.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_00]: You can get the masses to do it.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned just stop oil.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what the problem with that was when a lot of journalists,

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_00]: when to just stop oil and they said, what do you guys want?

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't give a good answer.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have leadership answer.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I would love to have just stop oil, join Compassive East so that there's leadership in the power of their organization.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but now you're talking about morally, you're talking about leadership.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So now you have to build a structure.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to build an organization.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't have because this has been tried so many times.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So, in other words, the structure you talked about is Xi in China.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So he has created all those conditions arguably ups and downs.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing's perfect, but he's rich the lies of Chinese people.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They have no freedom, very little freedom, but they're happy.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: They've got the bellies filled up have cars now, they've got the middle classes, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And they sit back and just say, OK, we accept this because we get this.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, Xi would say, well, actually, I'm just delivering exactly what you've said.

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course the problem with all minus one thing minus one thing for you.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_00]: China has China's social credit.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_00]: That social credit equates to no liberty.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But reverse that social credit to a liberty with responsibility.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Social responsibility.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Then you have a society that has liberty.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's China with liberty with an understanding of trading your neighbor with the golden rule, essentially.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So if you can manage that, you have you told me when have humans ever had liberty?

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think we've had it plenty of times.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_00]: We just had it very short lived.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_00]: OK.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So why did we keep losing it then?

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you why.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: If it's so precious, why lose it?

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Why give it away to strong leaders who play the field of sort of military.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I worry about it.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you to I was with you until you started getting into leadership.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you why because when Ali becomes a leader, that's when Ali becomes a tyrant and that's when Ali becomes corrupt, which is why

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_00]: capacity is designed in a decentralized format of no personal leadership, but a group, a community leadership.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So like I told you, we want the basics in life in an adequate manner for everybody.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Correct?

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So when we are providing that basics for everybody adequately, everybody can live in a communal manner.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Then there is no space for me to command any authority in the leadership.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So we use the word leadership and really not the right way, not in the guidance way.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_00]: We use it in the power way.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a matter of linguistics here.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, your concept of leadership is a concept of the person who's in charge who controls who says move right and everybody moves right.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_00]: My concept of leadership is kind of like Moses.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_00]: When Moses took the Israelites from Pharaoh, all from Egypt all the way to Israel.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Moses didn't say if you don't follow me, I kill you.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Moses didn't say if you don't follow me, ABC will happen.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_00]: There was no consequences.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_00]: He just said this is the path I'm taking whoever wants to follow me, follow me.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And they followed him to a certain extent.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_00]: He brought them somewhere and then he left.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_00]: He left them and they built their own society thereafter.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So he only brought them to harmony.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_00]: So the idea of leadership for me is not this, you know, becoming Saddam Hussein one day or some like that and saying I made the country better because arguably you speak with some Iraqis and they'll tell you, well, you know, the kids had food in school when Saddam used to rule

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_00]: because he made sure all the kids had food in school and they love, you know, they God bless his soul.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, the dangers of Saddam is also an issue.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want to be that.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to do that at all.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_00]: What I'm trying to do is now I'll tell you, I'll tell you how this so we're planning on having a convention.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_00]: This is something that's never been done.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_00]: A compassion convention annually.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So September 2025 will be our first one and we're going to go city to city every year kind of like, you know, the Olympics or the World Cup, you know, move it around and engage people around the world.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_00]: All the vendors can come and we'll have our film festival, our literary festival, the books spoken word music festival, a concert with artists and everything and purpose all of this to change.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, regionally within the area and whatnot so people can be involved and these groups can come together when all of this happens.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not about leadership anymore.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like, look at Reddit.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the creator of Reddit did not do the whole situation with GameStop with the stocks.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was not the one directing that he created a platform where people can command authority in there to allow the masses to have a voice.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_00]: A few people in Wall Street said, Hey, let's make a chunk of money off of GameStop and kill it.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And some people said, No, no, that's, that's not right.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I like this place.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_00]: That's not right.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to stand by it.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Some more people joined.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Wall Street couldn't do it, but Wall Street was smarter.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So they turned around and said, Let's ride the other way.

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's jump on their backs and just make all the money back and then dump it all and walk away from it.

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, people thought they won because you know, it ended up in their favor so to speak, but they didn't really win.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_00]: They just made the other guys more money.

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_00]: The win would have been kind of continuing this with some people coming into leadership and saying, Okay, now we have 2 million people invested in this.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_00]: This kind of stuff.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's put money into this and counter all the immoral trades that are going on so that we can fix the situation and the control.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Why bother with money?

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Money for the time being is necessary for transactional purposes.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_00]: It is a facilitator of transaction and it's a measure.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a measure.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we'll put religion on one side because that arguably is the worst, but it is one of the single most divisive things in the healer.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I will disagree with you.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I will agree with you about religion because religion brings with it set of rules.

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_00]: So there's money?

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll tell you why.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_00]: When we talk about Catholicism, there's a certain belief that you have to have about Jesus to be a Catholic.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_00]: There's a certain way of life.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_00]: There's certain beliefs you have to have religiously, dogmatically, blindly to be a practicing Catholic.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Now if you're a practicing Catholic, you cannot accept a Sunni Muslim's version or a Hasidic Jews version.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It's impossible.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So by the fact of an organized religion, it is divisive.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_00]: By its nature, it is divisive.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_00]: You put a dollar on the table.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_00]: You put a $1 bill on the table and tell me what morals are attached to that $1 bill?

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the first thing is it's not real.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not real.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a credit.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It's an invitation, isn't it?

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a real thing.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Money is a construct.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually not a thing.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a conductor.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, electricity is not a thing.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it is because if you touch it, you'll discover what it is.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_00]: If you touch money, you'll discover the power of money.

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_02]: When do you actually touch money?

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: What is money?

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Money is just...

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, again, look what it says on a pound note.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You've seen, I promised to...

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't touch electricity.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_00]: We're speaking right now.

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_00]: We're using electricity.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But we're not touching it.

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But right now, in the purpose that we're using it, it's a facilitator to have this conversation

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_00]: that otherwise would not have happened unless me and you found ways to come between Newcastle

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and London to have this chat and record it.

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Why not look at the problem of money?

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Because money is...

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, without being slightly biblical of money is the real or evil.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But there is something interesting here because...

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm surprised you're not looking at this because actually what you're doing

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_02]: is you're talking about trading in a sense in your organization

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_02]: because you're trading compassion for an impact, aren't you, in a sense?

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you're talking about giving you your time and effort by doing things rather than paying for them.

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And I get that.

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's really laudable.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's great.

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like some of the big charitable things where you donate time.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a slow transition.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a slow transition.

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_00]: For now, we need money.

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So eventually, the idea may be this.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Imagine you're a dentist and I'm a plumber.

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a toothache.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_00]: You have a pipe that's blown.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_00]: You need my help.

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I need your help.

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Based on a certain evaluation of our help and our time and our consideration and efforts,

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_00]: we can trade those things in a kind of like what used to be barter.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But instead of barter, it would be something that's based on the compassionate needs of each other in the community.

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_00]: So we would support you going to school to become a dentist comfortably, live in this house, don't starve.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But why barter?

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Why not just provide the service?

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be barter.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't evaluate.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_02]: No need to.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So it wouldn't be barter.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting slightly star trek and I know that.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But actually, you know, one of the biggest things.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're right.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You do it because you want to.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But for you to be a dentist, what do we need to do as a community?

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_00]: We need to make sure that you have the facilities to go to school and get that education.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So imagine when there's no money and there's no barter, that means you go and you have that without the cost attached to it.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And I would go because I like, for example, plumbing, I would go and become the plumber and everybody would do their bid in the community.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody would build Noah's Ark together.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no need for hierarchy.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no need for money.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But to get to that point today, I need to first get Compassive East to a point where it has commanding authority as an institution and an organization to be able to weed that problem out.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_00]: You see what I mean?

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I totally get.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And here I cannot be Moses.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't go with a staff to Pharaoh and let my staff dance and cause miracles and split the bread.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_00]: See, I don't have that power.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_00]: God never gave me that.

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So from a religious perspective or an atheist perspective, doesn't matter.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have that power, but I do have the power to tell people, let's come together.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's join hands and let's stand tall together.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That is the only way historically that there has ever been changed.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_00]: The slaves in the United States were freed because of that.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_00]: When the slaves outnumbered the slave masters, but they never they never banned it.

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So they never were able to come out of that mentality, that slave mentality to fight.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It took a war and the war wasn't about slavery was about other things, but this is, you know, it got thrown into it and whatnot.

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_02]: The British travel, you know, it's the weapons of power.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the problem.

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You've got 50 nukes and you're banding together in Russia for the last long.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But if we're banding together and we're trying to make the world better and we're not fighting anybody.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Mind you, there are a lot of people.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes, but the people that we will need to fight are not going to be significant.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Once you get to a point where you can actually make that fight.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, there was a time where Tesla Elon Musk car company could not be a significant player on the scene in its opening years and people were Bill Gates himself.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Bill Gates, he talks about climate change and all those things.

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_00]: He goes in shorts Tesla stock.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, where are your values?

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Where are your values?

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Literally, literally the value is money.

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the value is money.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not climate change.

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's get off of that boat.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But at that point, Elon Musk was gambling.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_00]: He was risking coming into this game.

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But when he got the market share that he did, what happened?

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_00]: You have all of the US, Michigan guys.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You have the British companies.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_00]: You have the Italians in the French.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Ferrari is making, you know, hybrid cars now.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Lamborghini is making electric.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Like these are people who have no business being in that game.

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the fact that your car costs that much.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Rolls Royce has an electric coupe that doesn't even...

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't go from London to Glasgow with it without stopping three times.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So what is the point of that car?

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But how the debate gets lost in money because actually we know that the cleanest form of energy is hydrogen.

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like VHS and Betamax thing.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Competing for...

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, Ally, you and I, I have just could say that now because I've just noticed the time that we've got four minutes to the top of the hour.

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And I have to be...

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so I'm thoroughly enjoying myself and learning a lot.

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I have to be very respectful of your time because you've got lots of visioning and stuff to do.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm being respectful when I say that.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, how can people find out more about what it is that you do?

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_02]: How can people join the cause?

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: What can people do?

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_00]: So what it is that we do is because I'm not a fan of these media content.

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a fan of these connections and liking my Instagram and things like that.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_00]: We do have ad-compasities.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Compasities is a unique word.

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So ad-compasities all over social media.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It's there, our websites, compasses.com.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And you can visit our charity and everything else from there in our publishing house.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_00]: You can submit to it and all these things.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But we're really putting all our eggs in the convention basket.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So when the conventions launch, we want people to really come out in droves and show up.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Show up to the concert, to the films, show up to our events.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Show up during that one week of the convention week in your country, in your city.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Make the effort to show up because this is the place where you really come out and say,

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_00]: we want change.

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_00]: We want the new.

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're just presenting the new.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's all it is.

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, join now.

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Come to the website.

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Come to our spaces that we've recently opened up.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've recently started opening up our podcasts and our, you know, publishing house and all those things to the public.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So come on there.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Join us.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Check it out.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Look at our social media.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Wait for news for the convention.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But really all of it is about come to the convention, make your stand and let's put something together that we can actually move forward on through the programs and capacities.

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's all about.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Brilliant.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you've sold this before.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I like it.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very great idea.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll put the links on the website and such like and don't go at the moment.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I turn this podcast off because I want to talk to you and I forgot to say that at the beginning.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So, but look, it's been an absolute joy to talk to you today.

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Compassivist will link to the pronunciation because I'm sure I'll just butcher it.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But Ali has been a joy to talk to you today.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for spending time with us.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You take care.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much for having me and a blessed day to all.

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, thanks for listening.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully that was a useful and interesting episode.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_02]: As I said earlier, you can support our work by leaving a review which does drive enhanced exposure or you can donate on our site, which is at QEDOD.com.

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You can purchase our series of books all about unraveling resilience, leadership, management and anxiety at QEDOD.com.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Along with some other free resources available on the site.

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[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully there's something there for you.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Catch you next time around.

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