Dr Mike Van Thielen - Biohacking and Reversing Biological Age

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[00:01:12] Hi and welcome back to Resilience Unravelled. And I'm looking forward to talking more to my next guest. He's in a strange country and he's got a fascinating name and he's got an amazing subject to talk about. So, without adieu, without even pausing for thought, welcome to Dr. Michael Van Thielen. How are you this evening, Mike? How are you doing?

[00:01:34] I'm doing great. Thanks, Russell, for having me on.

[00:01:37] Great. And I can tell by the accent that you're clearly in America.

[00:01:42] I'm in America, but the accent's certainly not American. I'm originally from Belgium. I just would have to swim a few miles to get to you there.

[00:01:48] Yeah. I mean, literally, we're just over the water from each other, aren't we? Originally, very good. So, what are you doing in the States?

[00:01:55] I actually came here in 1997 when I was in my 20s as a licensed physical therapist at the time. They were short of physical therapists.

[00:02:03] But since then, obviously, I have kept on going and going into the, you know, more wellness industry.

[00:02:13] When I ended up working as a physical therapist in a private practice where they also did acupuncture and Chinese herbal medicine, I got intrigued.

[00:02:21] So, I went back to school. I got my doctor of oriental medicine license in acupuncture, homeopathy, Chinese herbal medicine, you name it.

[00:02:29] And that was kind of cool for a little bit, but I got frustrated pretty quick, too, after another thousand patients because these therapies are indeed less harmful than conventional medicine, meaning injections, drugs, and surgeries.

[00:02:41] But I really didn't get the lasting results I was hoping for either.

[00:02:45] So, that's when I decided to go back to basics, and that's when I decided to get my PhD in holistic nutrition.

[00:02:51] And at the same time, I thought to myself, well, Mother Nature also must have the answer to health.

[00:02:56] And so, I started to look at what do animals in the wild do?

[00:03:00] And usually, they give you the answer.

[00:03:01] And so, with those things combined, I really became very confident in helping anybody overcome any disease or, you know, not just people that are diseased, but also helping anybody get to the next level of health.

[00:03:15] Whether it's longevity, anti-aging, or today, what we call biohacking is objectively reversing your biological age, increasing your health span, lifespan.

[00:03:25] So, I've always been intrigued with that, and I try to stay on the edge of the new things out there.

[00:03:31] Because, you know, I'm 77, Russell, and I look like 29, right?

[00:03:37] I don't know which of those numbers is right, but...

[00:03:39] Yeah, no, I'm 53.

[00:03:41] Yeah, I'm 27 as well, so that threw me.

[00:03:43] There you go.

[00:03:44] It's all in the head, isn't it?

[00:03:46] Yeah, of course it is.

[00:03:46] Well, some of it is, anyway.

[00:03:49] So, biohacking.

[00:03:51] So, tell me a little bit more about that.

[00:03:52] So, basically, I mean, what is the process behind biohacking?

[00:03:56] Yes, it's an amorphous term, and different people have different definitions, but my definition simply is upgrading the body, mind, and upgrading life.

[00:04:06] And from a health point of view, it's objectively reversing our biological age, because we all know our date of birth, which will indicate our chronological age.

[00:04:15] But it really doesn't mean anything, because we all know people, Russell, that, for example, are in their 60s, and they look 90, and they're in and out of the hospital.

[00:04:24] They got two pages of medications, and they got all diseases you can think of, and they're the walking zombies, right?

[00:04:31] And they're just in their 60s.

[00:04:33] And on the other hand, we got people in their 90s that are 100% mentally there, and that are still golfing, you know, nine holes every day.

[00:04:40] So, chronological age doesn't mean anything.

[00:04:43] It's our biological age.

[00:04:44] How are we feeling?

[00:04:45] How is our biology?

[00:04:46] How young are we, you know, in our mind and in our body?

[00:04:51] And today, we can measure that.

[00:04:53] And so, biohacking then becomes, what are we doing strategically?

[00:04:59] What are we doing dietary?

[00:05:01] What modalities are we incorporating?

[00:05:04] What equipment or machines are we using to then objectively reverse that biological age?

[00:05:10] And so, that's kind of what biohacking is.

[00:05:14] But most people can't just start biohacking, right?

[00:05:18] Because we need a foundation.

[00:05:19] And so, when I get clients or mentees, I put them in three categories.

[00:05:23] And unfortunately, most people fall in the first category.

[00:05:26] Because those are people where we need to first regain control of their health.

[00:05:31] So, people that are overweight, people that are in pain, people that have any or another medical condition.

[00:05:36] We first got to get back to normal, right?

[00:05:38] Because we're below normal.

[00:05:40] We're suffering.

[00:05:40] So, step number one, we need to regain control.

[00:05:43] Step number two, then we need to optimize health.

[00:05:46] We're back to normal.

[00:05:46] Now, we need to optimize.

[00:05:48] So, we need to incorporate lifestyle modifications so we can feel vital and fit again, right?

[00:05:54] And then, only then, when we're in optimal health, that would be a great foundation to maximize the benefits of biohacking and reverse our biological age.

[00:06:04] Okay.

[00:06:05] So, you're giving me lots to unpack there.

[00:06:07] So, simplest question, first of all.

[00:06:08] So, how do you measure it?

[00:06:10] How are you measuring biological age?

[00:06:12] Well, there's several tests.

[00:06:13] And I always, you know, think that a combination of tests is the best.

[00:06:18] The most commonly known one is measuring your telomere length.

[00:06:22] The telomeres are the end caps of your chromosomes in each and every cell.

[00:06:26] And as we age and as those cells replicate, those telomeres become shorter and shorter until they're not there anymore and the cell dies or can't replicate anymore.

[00:06:35] So, it's a sign of aging.

[00:06:36] And so, we can measure that length and then incorporate these biohacking strategies and three or six months or 12 months later do the test again.

[00:06:46] And if the telomeres increased in length versus shortened, then we are actually reversing our biological age.

[00:06:53] That's the most common one.

[00:06:54] But we can do also genetic, epigenetic testing.

[00:06:57] We can do gut biome testing and all different parameters.

[00:07:02] Just like we would do a blood test, right?

[00:07:04] And see if these parameters improve and biologically become, you know, better or more optimal.

[00:07:12] Yeah.

[00:07:12] I mean, epigenetic tests are very common and very popular.

[00:07:15] And they've got a really good validity.

[00:07:16] So, that's good to know.

[00:07:17] And so, I mean, before we get to the solution, typically, what are people doing where they're negatively affecting their biological age?

[00:07:29] I'm guessing I know the answer to this, but take us through the sort of common problems that people present with.

[00:07:36] Well, you know, especially in our modern society, I call it biological stressors, right?

[00:07:41] So, everything that stresses us and there's a lot of mental stressors, so we also got to get in control of the faculties of our minds in order to be in optimal health or in order to biohack, which can be a discussion too.

[00:07:54] But I think, you know, from a pure physical point of view, I believe there's only one cause of all disease and that's toxemia.

[00:08:03] Toxemia literally means toxins in the blood.

[00:08:05] But in a little bit more detail, what it means is that as part of daily living, as part of our normal metabolism, we obviously produce waste toxins.

[00:08:13] But in a normal healthy organism, those toxins are eliminated through the kidneys, the bowels, the skin, etc.

[00:08:19] So, no harm is done.

[00:08:21] But in today's society, we are exposed to and we take in far more toxins than the body possibly can eliminate.

[00:08:28] And so, now we have an accumulation of toxins in our blood and our body.

[00:08:32] And that's what toxemia really is.

[00:08:35] And so, what does toxemia do or what do these excess toxins in our body do that we can't keep up with elimination?

[00:08:42] Well, research shows two things happen.

[00:08:44] Number one, these toxins are going to steal an electron from a healthy atom, which then becomes unstable, which we all know as a free radical.

[00:08:52] And we know that excess free radicals cause oxidative stress and even damage on the cellular and the DNA level, right?

[00:08:58] And most people heard about free radicals before.

[00:09:01] But even easier to understand and more importantly, we are now in a state of emergency because we can't keep up with the elimination of these toxins.

[00:09:09] And in conventional medicine, we actually have a word for that.

[00:09:11] It's called systemic inflammation.

[00:09:13] It's a state of emergency.

[00:09:14] And even conventional medicine now agrees that over 90% of all diseases are directly correlated with the systemic inflammation, right?

[00:09:22] So, that's what's causing all disease.

[00:09:25] That's what's causing all the cancers.

[00:09:27] That's what causes an unhealthy body weight.

[00:09:29] And the list goes on, this toxemia.

[00:09:30] So, the solution theoretically is indeed simple.

[00:09:33] We need to keep toxemia in check.

[00:09:35] So, theoretically, what we need to do is we need to reduce the exposure and intake of toxins from what?

[00:09:42] Man-made foods, man-made drinks, obviously.

[00:09:46] Even over-the-counter and prescription medications because they're very toxic to our system.

[00:09:52] Any household products, cleaning products, cosmetic products that we put on our skin, we need to reduce that toxic load.

[00:09:59] And then, obviously, today we talk about EMR or EMF, electromagnetic radiation from our Bluetooth devices.

[00:10:07] And this is an invisible threat because we can smell it, hear it, we can see it.

[00:10:13] But we need to be aware that it causes a lot of damage.

[00:10:17] And we need to mitigate and reduce whatever we can on this side while simultaneously increasing the nutrients that do what?

[00:10:26] That fight free radical damage, that fight inflammation and repair our DNA.

[00:10:31] And we don't have to be a health freak.

[00:10:33] But if we simply can tip that balance, we will be bulletproof against any virus or disease or degeneration or cancer of the 21st century.

[00:10:44] Yeah.

[00:10:45] So, what's the most...

[00:10:47] So, I mean, you mentioned a huge raft of different things there, things that cause...

[00:10:52] Toxemia, I always thought it was linked to pregnancy, actually.

[00:10:54] I was quite surprised when you used it.

[00:10:56] In the broadest sense of the word.

[00:10:57] So, that's quite interesting.

[00:10:59] So, what are the things which typically have the biggest impact against free radicals?

[00:11:03] I mean, you're talking about ultra-high processed foods, I'm guessing.

[00:11:06] But it's interesting when you start talking about Bluetooth and such like.

[00:11:09] Because some of these things we really generally can't avoid.

[00:11:11] So, I'm guessing we have to overcompensate in other areas.

[00:11:15] So, what are the sort of two or three big weapons in the arsenal to protect against free radicals?

[00:11:21] Well, of course, we all know that to protect against free radicals, we can have antioxidants to neutralize them, right?

[00:11:28] But we want to first reduce the exposure to it.

[00:11:31] So, yes.

[00:11:32] You know, when it comes to, you know, the excess intake of, you know, of toxins, we're talking about our diet and we're talking about the drinks that we consume.

[00:11:41] So, you know, as humans, we only should consume water unless we're on the mother's breast.

[00:11:46] Once we come off the mother's breast, water should be our only drink.

[00:11:51] Anything else usually causes issues.

[00:11:53] You know, when we talk about sodas, when we talk about, yes, there you go.

[00:11:56] When we talk about coffee and teas and energy drinks, we're talking about acidity.

[00:12:01] And we're talking about a lot of toxins and flavorings and coloring.

[00:12:05] So, we're just overloading ourselves with those.

[00:12:08] And when it comes to food, as you know, all the commercial food is void of essential nutrients.

[00:12:13] It doesn't really have any nutritional value.

[00:12:15] And it's loaded, you know, with sugars, synthetic sugars.

[00:12:19] It's loaded with, you know, glycophosphates, the GMO stuff, and colorings.

[00:12:26] And it's nothing but toxins, right?

[00:12:28] So, we really got to go back to eating wholesome organic fruits and vegetables and try to get or do the best that you can.

[00:12:38] But when we live in a modern world society, we cannot eliminate all of it.

[00:12:42] We can do what we can.

[00:12:44] So, now, I believe that supplements, high-quality supplements and other technologies, like, you know, we can talk about hydrogen later if you want.

[00:12:53] We need to do something extra to neutralize those excess free radicals in our body.

[00:12:58] And, of course, you know, the first line of defense is, as we always have known, are antioxidants, like our vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin E, quercetin, resveratrol, and the list goes on and on.

[00:13:11] Because those antioxidants donate an electron to that unstable free radical to neutralize it.

[00:13:17] But, unfortunately, once that happens, that molecule of vitamin C is totally useless because it becomes oxidized, right?

[00:13:27] So, that's our first defense.

[00:13:29] But there are things that we can do to exponentially more effectively neutralize those free radicals.

[00:13:37] One thing that I'm thinking of right now is we need to understand that our cells have a battery.

[00:13:43] And the battery of our cells is NADPH, NADPH.

[00:13:48] It's like a reservoir of electrons, right?

[00:13:52] And so, what if we make sure we have plenty of NADPH in our body, electrons in our body?

[00:13:58] And we reimagine the previous scenario where vitamin C gives an electron to an unstable free radical and neutralizes it, but now it becomes oxidized and useless.

[00:14:08] But what if we had a reservoir and we can donate that same molecule of vitamin C, another electron, and another one, and another one, and another one?

[00:14:15] See how that exponentially would be much more effective in neutralizing free radicals, right?

[00:14:21] So, that's NADPH, which is part of the NAD plus family.

[00:14:25] And hydrogen also plays a role in that because hydrogen is a precursor to NAD plus and NADPH, right?

[00:14:35] But you're talking about –

[00:14:36] When you say hydrogen, you're talking about –

[00:14:38] Molecular hydrogen.

[00:14:39] Molecular hydrogen, as opposed to –

[00:14:41] As opposed to the hydrogen cation or anion, the H plus.

[00:14:46] So, hydrogen has many different forms, right?

[00:14:49] In the industry, we know hydrogen as a fuel for rockets.

[00:14:52] We know hydrogen as a biofuel, et cetera.

[00:14:56] But in our body, we produce hydrogen actually as a bacterial fermentation of fibers in our gut, fibers from fruits and vegetables.

[00:15:06] But as we don't eat many fruits and vegetables and we don't take in the right amount of fibers, we don't have enough hydrogen in our body, right?

[00:15:15] And so, it's very important that we take in plenty of hydrogen for many different reasons, not just for providing this electron reservoir of NADPH so we can continue to feed the antioxidants that we take in, but for many other reasons.

[00:15:37] So, where do we get things like hydrogen?

[00:15:40] Because, I mean, supplements make sense.

[00:15:41] I see there are lots of providers and supplements one could do on its own research.

[00:15:47] But the NADPH and the hydrogen thing, where does that come from?

[00:15:51] How do you source that?

[00:15:52] Yes.

[00:15:53] So, hydrogen, I'm looking at it.

[00:15:54] I have a device, a home device that produces hydrogen.

[00:15:59] So, one hour a day, I inhale molecular hydrogen.

[00:16:04] While I'm doing paperwork, while I'm watching a documentary, I'm inhaling one hour per day preventatively and also as part of my, you know, biohacking strategy reversing my biological age.

[00:16:18] Hydrogen water is also very popular because we can infuse water and suspend molecular hydrogen in water and then drink it.

[00:16:27] But the inhalation is much more effective because you can get a lot more molecular hydrogen in your body versus drinking.

[00:16:34] For example, my unit has a 600 cc flow rate per minute.

[00:16:39] The concentration of hydrogen is about 4.2%.

[00:16:44] So, in one minute, I will get about 24 cc of molecular hydrogen.

[00:16:49] So, in 15 minutes, I get approximately 360 cc.

[00:16:53] Now, when I drink hydrogen water, I only get 1.7 cc per liter.

[00:16:59] So, I would have to drink approximately 62 gallons in order to get the same amount of hydrogen by inhaling only 15 minutes.

[00:17:08] So, you can see it's much more effective.

[00:17:11] So, I like the inhalation of molecular hydrogen.

[00:17:16] A lot of people who are in the biohacking will talk a lot about homeostasis and that's about balance, isn't it?

[00:17:22] So, can you overindulge in things like supplements?

[00:17:26] Because actually, a lot of people have too much vitamin C.

[00:17:29] You just excrete it, you know, through urine.

[00:17:31] But what about too much hydrogen and too much of this stuff?

[00:17:34] No, it's impossible. That's why it's such a great thing and that's why it's a home unit.

[00:17:38] You don't need to go to a clinic.

[00:17:39] It doesn't need to be modern.

[00:17:40] It's 100% safe because what happens is when you inhale it, the molecular hydrogen is basically carried through your blood plasma to each and every cell.

[00:17:49] And when the blood is saturated at approximately 2 cc per liter, so it can saturate, what happens with the excess hydrogen?

[00:17:57] You simply exhale it.

[00:17:59] Right.

[00:18:00] So, it gets exhaled.

[00:18:01] So, it cannot cause any harm to your body.

[00:18:04] So, that's obviously a great advantage of this type of therapy, right?

[00:18:09] You can't overdo it.

[00:18:11] But molecular hydrogen has much more benefits than just, you know, providing an electron reservoir for our antioxidants.

[00:18:20] While people, I mean, right now there's over 2,400 published studies on the effects of molecular hydrogen and the positive effects it has on right now over 170 diseases or medical conditions.

[00:18:35] So, it's very vast.

[00:18:38] And the reason is because hydrogen is the smallest molecule and the lightest element in the universe.

[00:18:45] And it is not charged.

[00:18:47] So, when we look at other molecules like vitamin C and things like that, they are charged and they're too big.

[00:18:52] They cannot cross the cell membrane and they cannot enter the cell.

[00:18:57] So, hydrogen usually can enter the cell, fight oxidative stress within the cell and protect our RNA, our DNA, our mitochondria, and all the other proteins.

[00:19:08] It's the only thing that can do that.

[00:19:09] And so, one of the top two, I mean, there's probably five very important physiological effects of hydrogen.

[00:19:19] But the top two is it's a very selective antioxidant.

[00:19:22] So, it gets into the cell and it fights free radical damage and oxidative stress inside the cell.

[00:19:27] Nothing else can do that.

[00:19:28] And it does that selectively.

[00:19:30] In other words, it's going to neutralize the hydroxyl-free radicals that are responsible for oxidative stress inside the cell and inside the mitochondria.

[00:19:38] Yeah.

[00:19:40] While leaving the other ROS, reactive oxygen species, alone because many of those are very important for our living organism because they, you just mentioned, they're responsible for homeostasis.

[00:19:54] They're responsible for cellular signaling, etc.

[00:19:57] So, we don't want to bomb and neutralize all of them.

[00:19:59] We just want to selectively get rid of the harmful ones like hydroxyl-free radicals because they cause cancer, right?

[00:20:06] People ask me all the time.

[00:20:08] I have a few cancer patients right now on hydrogen.

[00:20:11] What is cancer?

[00:20:12] What causes cancer?

[00:20:13] Well, it's a mutation of your DNA of your cells and your mitochondria.

[00:20:16] And what causes the mutation?

[00:20:18] Well, the hydroxyl-free radicals cause the oxidative stress in the mutation.

[00:20:22] So, if we can neutralize those hydroxyl-free radicals inside the cell, you know, we have an antitumor effect.

[00:20:29] And that's exactly what research shows what hydrogen does inside the cell.

[00:20:33] So, first of all, it's selective antioxidant.

[00:20:36] And you, especially, Dr. Russell, know that it will have an effect on every, you know, cell, every tissue, every enzymatic reaction in our body if it can reduce oxidative stress.

[00:20:48] Number two, because of that, it's also known as a very strong anti-inflammatory agent.

[00:20:54] So, we just mentioned that 90% of all diseases are related to the systemic inflammation.

[00:20:59] So, it reduces that systemic inflammation has been shown in many studies to reduce the interleukins, to reduce the effect of the cytokines in our body, etc.

[00:21:11] So, that's number two.

[00:21:14] Number three, I would say it promotes or stimulates autophagy.

[00:21:20] And for the listeners that don't know what autophagy is, it's basically our cells, when they use up proteins and their proteins become used and damaged,

[00:21:30] what the cell will try to do is break those proteins down in its cytoplasm, which is the fluid of the cell,

[00:21:35] and then take the pieces that it can reuse and regenerate.

[00:21:39] That's a whole process within each of our trillions and trillions of cells that occurs.

[00:21:45] And so, molecular hydrogen has shown to promote that process of cell regeneration.

[00:21:51] Again, think about longevity, think about healing, think about regenerating damaged tissues, right?

[00:21:58] And then also, it's anti-apoptotic.

[00:22:01] So, it helps promote apoptosis.

[00:22:04] Apoptosis is our programmed cell death, right?

[00:22:07] Because we produce billions of new cells every day.

[00:22:13] But at the same time, in order to keep that balance that you talked about, homeostasis, we need to get rid of dead cells.

[00:22:18] And when that doesn't happen, then we have an accumulation or an imbalance of dead cells versus new cells.

[00:22:25] And that's not good.

[00:22:26] So, molecular hydrogen also helps balance apoptosis.

[00:22:30] So, those are some key physiological effects that molecular hydrogen does.

[00:22:37] And that has an effect on so many systems and so many degenerative diseases.

[00:22:42] So, the best results I see is indeed with cancer, but also neurodegenerative diseases.

[00:22:47] Because, you know, we talked about supplements, but we can take supplements,

[00:22:51] but many times they cannot enter or cross the blood-brain barrier.

[00:22:54] And then even if they could, they cannot enter the cell.

[00:22:57] Well, molecular hydrogen has no difficulty entering the blood-brain barrier.

[00:23:01] And then entering the brain cells to do the same thing is protecting the RNA, the DNA, the proteins,

[00:23:08] and the mitochondria within those brain cells.

[00:23:10] So, when we're thinking about Parkinson's, when we're thinking about MS, Alzheimer's, dementia,

[00:23:15] these are some great strategies that give those types of people new hope.

[00:23:21] Because, as you know, those people don't have much hope when it comes to these diseases and conventional medicine.

[00:23:27] Now, obviously, we have to sort of say, I suppose, that actually you need to take medical advice if you're going to do anything with your own body and such like.

[00:23:35] And that's absolutely fine.

[00:23:36] So, let's just put that caveat and say it's been said.

[00:23:39] So, let's just do that.

[00:23:41] The second thing is, so what I'm hearing is, as a quick hack,

[00:23:45] what I could do is to sort out my food, sort out my intake of liquids and such like,

[00:23:54] look at my environment and look at what's got inside my house and such like,

[00:23:58] which is all good common sense, really sensible stuff.

[00:24:01] But then, you know, whilst we're chatting, I must admit, I had a quick look on Amazon for molecular hydrogen units.

[00:24:06] And I can get home units.

[00:24:08] Who knew?

[00:24:09] I didn't know this at all for about three to four thousand quid, which is a lot.

[00:24:12] I can get physical supplements and I can get water, as you say.

[00:24:17] So, if I wanted to just begin, just experiment on myself,

[00:24:21] is the easiest place to experiment just the water, just to sort of find out for myself almost,

[00:24:27] without having to latch out five grand on a machine?

[00:24:30] Yes, you eat.

[00:24:31] There's actually supplements too, which are hydrogen tablets.

[00:24:36] Yes, I saw that.

[00:24:37] And you put them in water.

[00:24:38] And what it actually does, it's not hydrogen that you have.

[00:24:41] The tablet changes the pH of the water, which causes a byproduct called molecular hydrogen.

[00:24:46] But they will tell you to drink it immediately because it's unstable.

[00:24:49] Yes.

[00:24:50] So, that would be the easiest way.

[00:24:54] A lot of the units, though, out there, you have to be careful.

[00:24:58] Because we're talking about a medical gas.

[00:25:00] And if you get something from China or Alibaba website, something for $700 versus $3,000,

[00:25:07] you got to be careful because a lot of those units are made with cheap materials.

[00:25:12] And so, they oxidize.

[00:25:15] And now, you're not inhaling just molecular hydrogen, but all kinds of other toxins.

[00:25:18] So, be careful.

[00:25:20] And everybody can always contact me to get insight on the questions that you need to ask.

[00:25:27] And what units are good for home use and which ones I never would use because they're too cheap

[00:25:32] and they're not made with.

[00:25:34] They should be made with platinum and titanium, right?

[00:25:37] And so, the runtime should be about 24 hours.

[00:25:39] But many of those units, their runtime is only one, two, or even three hours,

[00:25:43] which means is after that time, they start oxidizing.

[00:25:46] So, those are units you don't want.

[00:25:48] And then you got to look at what concentration would you like.

[00:25:50] The more hydrogen it produces per minute, the more expensive the unit is going to be, right?

[00:25:55] But good home units for a few thousand dollars, you can have one.

[00:25:58] Yes, it's still an expense.

[00:25:59] But I'm pretty sure a lot of companies now have payment plans.

[00:26:03] I even know of a company that I gave to some of my clients because they couldn't afford it either.

[00:26:09] But they're kind of leasing the equipment for, I believe, $140 per month or something.

[00:26:15] So, you're kind of using it, but you don't own it, right?

[00:26:17] So, is this machinery...

[00:26:19] There's a lot of ways of getting it done.

[00:26:20] Sorry.

[00:26:20] So, is the majority of those machinaries in the States still?

[00:26:23] Because, I mean, usually they're at the forefront of anything that's interesting.

[00:26:28] Yes, I'm not aware of the UK, but yeah.

[00:26:33] I'm sure you can get those units there too.

[00:26:35] I mean, now with the internet and shipping, it's...

[00:26:38] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:26:39] Amazon's amazing.

[00:26:40] It sells everything.

[00:26:40] I mean, who knew?

[00:26:42] Yeah.

[00:26:43] One day it might catch on.

[00:26:45] So, this is actually fascinating.

[00:26:47] I mean, you've sort of thrown out so much there.

[00:26:51] It's actually quite hard to unpack it all.

[00:26:53] But, look, I think the easiest thing to do here is to...

[00:26:57] If people want to know more, I think they should just come and talk to you or contact you.

[00:27:01] So, what's the best way to do that?

[00:27:03] Yes, the best way is my website.

[00:27:05] I'm not a big social media guy.

[00:27:06] So, biohackingunlimited.com.

[00:27:08] You have my books there.

[00:27:09] You can actually schedule a free 20-minute Zoom call with me to see, you know, what's going on and whether or not I can help you.

[00:27:18] When it comes to Molecular Hydrogen, under my resources page, I do have information on Molecular Hydrogen.

[00:27:25] Another good website that does the leasing and is the cheapest that I have found that I think is a good home unit.

[00:27:34] It's hydroheal.com.

[00:27:36] Hydro and then H-E-A-L.com.

[00:27:38] You can check them out.

[00:27:40] But my website would be the best way to get in contact with me or ask me questions or ask for advice, for sure.

[00:27:47] And how is this all going down in the States?

[00:27:49] I mean, famously, the States are very into this.

[00:27:52] They're either completely at the forefront of health and well-being or completely so far behind the curve.

[00:27:59] Because you're in the land of ultra-processed foods and, you know, some of the worst things you've talked about today, but also people who are at the front of it.

[00:28:07] So, how are these ideas, you know, being accepted?

[00:28:11] Oh, well, just like anything else, we have conventional medicine and then we have more and more doctors, functional medicine doctors and chiropractors.

[00:28:18] Chiropractors, you know, those types of people, that area is growing.

[00:28:24] There's more and more conventions and conferences that include these types of therapies.

[00:28:29] When I approach this thing in conferences, they're obviously not going to, you know, go against mainstream conventional medicine.

[00:28:37] But I'm trying to tell them that if they have cancer patients, if they have Parkinson's patients, you know, adding these hydrogen units to their arsenal of treatments will be helpful.

[00:28:46] And here's the research to support that, right?

[00:28:49] Because, you know, a medical doctor wants to have the research and wants to make sure they are, you know, it's research and scientifically valid.

[00:28:57] So, with hydrogen, we do have that.

[00:28:59] And so, it's not necessarily, oh, drop all the things you're doing now and hydrogen will be the miracle.

[00:29:05] No, you know, hydrogen is a great therapy, I think, in many instances.

[00:29:10] But it could be an adjunct therapy.

[00:29:12] In cancer, what we've seen that it improves the outcome.

[00:29:15] It, you know, it decreases the side effects.

[00:29:19] And it, you know, it helps tremendously with them going to chemotherapy or radiation or those types of things, you know.

[00:29:29] So, even if you go to conventional route, it will be a synergistic effect improving the outcome.

[00:29:36] I, I am.

[00:29:38] Every now and then, there's a podcast that comes along.

[00:29:40] It's absolutely fascinating.

[00:29:41] We haven't got time to do more than just scrape the surface of it.

[00:29:44] So, maybe, maybe one day, if we do a part two on this, it'd be quite interesting to do a bit of a deep dive when I, when I'm slightly more informed in the subject.

[00:29:51] Because I, I feel as though I'm letting my listeners and you down by not being, asking you insightful enough questions today.

[00:29:56] But look, the, just remind us of the name of the website.

[00:30:00] It was biohackingunlimited.com.

[00:30:04] Mike, thank you.

[00:30:05] That has been a whistle-stop tour and absolutely fascinating as well.

[00:30:09] It's lovely to learn something new.

[00:30:11] And that's one of the benefits of doing a podcast, isn't it, too?

[00:30:13] Every now and then bump into people who know a lot more than you do.

[00:30:16] So, thank you for spending time with us this day.

[00:30:19] It's been absolutely fantastic.

[00:30:20] Thank you.

[00:30:21] Thank you for having me, Russell.

[00:30:22] You take care.

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