Evan Marks - Maximising mental performance

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[00:01:13] Everybody welcome back to Resilience Unravelled and it's my pleasure to welcome Evan Marks

[00:01:19] on the podcast. I have to say when Evan first opens his mouth and starts to talk, you're

[00:01:24] going to be blown away. So now he's just swinging some coke. Now it could be a

[00:01:29] bit bubbly now but then let's try it. Good afternoon Evan, how are you?

[00:01:34] Russell it is a pleasure to be here. Yes, New York is coming through hardcore. I

[00:01:40] can't disguise it. It is what it is. Hopefully the curse words don't come flowing out

[00:01:45] immediately otherwise my mother would be slightly disappointed and not convinced I have a college

[00:01:49] education. So it is slightly. I keep trying to convince her that there's a Harvard study

[00:01:55] out that shows profanities is a sign of intelligence. She highly doubts that.

[00:02:00] Yeah, I must admit I've seen that. I think it's one of those bits. I think it's

[00:02:03] true. I'm hanging my hat on it.

[00:02:09] Why not? I think it depends on what sort of swearing is there.

[00:02:16] Yes, if you use it colorfully and not act, I find that it adds flavor and color used

[00:02:26] properly. Now I've convinced myself this and I've spoken on stage and things like that and

[00:02:33] it seems to work even though prior boss said like he's doing it again but it seems

[00:02:38] like it has a resounding yes. So I keep at it but I know the audience that I'm speaking

[00:02:44] to when to use it and when not to use it.

[00:02:48] It's very funny because you Americans are famously squeamish about swear words as

[00:02:53] well so that's very amusing. But look we've got ourselves distracted already which

[00:02:58] I suspect may be the theme of our conversation. So you better introduce yourself, tell

[00:03:02] us what it is that you do and what you've done.

[00:03:05] Sure. So my name is Evan Marks. I am founder and CEO of the M1 Performance Group which is

[00:03:13] a mental coaching group where our clients consist of professional athletes, C-suite

[00:03:19] executives, Wall Street professionals. I've been doing this for about seven years.

[00:03:24] I started M1 about four months ago but I've been coaching for seven years but

[00:03:29] prior to that I'm 52 years old and I spent most of my career managing money at

[00:03:35] hedge funds for about 25 years and I had the opportunity to pivot and it's

[00:03:42] something I've always wanted to do and it came in 2017 where a coach of mine

[00:03:47] asked me to come join her and it was I felt like my career I'd accomplished

[00:03:53] what I wanted to accomplish and to be frank Russell is that this is what I've

[00:03:59] always wanted to do. So when I had the opportunity I went back to school

[00:04:03] at 46 years old for psychonical theory, neuroscience and six months later my

[00:04:10] first gig is coaching Jimmy Johnson at Hendrick Motorsports NASCAR with these

[00:04:16] incredible individuals in a pit. It was the most amazing thrilling

[00:04:22] exhilarating experience and that was it. I was in and so now I am seven

[00:04:29] plus years later doing something that as cliche as it sounds fills my cup. I

[00:04:34] find incredible fulfillment. I love when people win. I love when people attack

[00:04:43] their capability gaps and they get a better understanding of who they are

[00:04:46] and to me you know I think in my thought process serving others is

[00:04:56] to me is the most important thing. Okay so tell me a bit more about the NASCAR

[00:05:00] thing because we don't have NASCAR over here we tend to buy into that Formula

[00:05:04] One thing because I've always thought NASCAR is the thing where you go

[00:05:06] round and round circles for... So NASCAR goes round and round in circles.

[00:05:09] Yes it's like you know 500 laps so basically they brought us in to

[00:05:15] work with drivers and pit crew teams believe it or not for pit crew teams

[00:05:20] that are in there in the pits they have 13 seconds to fuel tires. We can get it

[00:05:28] at 12 and a half. It's unbelievable but like anybody else there's fear

[00:05:35] frustration rage embarrassment all these feelings that these a lot of

[00:05:42] these guys are professional athletes division division one ballplayers this

[00:05:45] is not the good old boys network these guys are established athletes but

[00:05:50] like anybody else they have feelings and when we're able to acknowledge our

[00:05:56] feelings and not put them on the shelf we actually have the ability to choose

[00:06:04] the behavior that benefits us so to be able to untangle the past and how

[00:06:09] we learned in the past and how coaching was get bigger get stronger

[00:06:16] don't worry about your emotions we know now through research and and all these

[00:06:22] incredible years of mental health study that that's bullshit that actually

[00:06:27] feelings are a massive data point that need to be one acknowledged and two

[00:06:34] actually used yeah benefit us but it was incredible yeah yeah yeah um so

[00:06:42] that's fascinating so I've talked to a lot of people actually funny

[00:06:44] in the formula one was I don't know NASCAR I'm guessing it's similar this

[00:06:48] very silly yeah spend a lot of time recovering from the last pit stop at

[00:06:53] the pit stop cruise and then getting ready to next one so they're doing

[00:06:57] that sort of either celebrating and then anticipation or their learning and

[00:07:02] anticipation or whatever it might be but it's often the driver isn't it

[00:07:05] who just spends a lot of time eking out energy because you know 500

[00:07:10] laps is a long time it's very easy to peak too early especially if

[00:07:13] you're frightened or too excited or too emotionally driven you can run out of

[00:07:19] energy too early so how do you help people pace well it's so interesting

[00:07:23] you know and it's ironic that I use gear shifting because obviously this

[00:07:27] gear shifting in NASCAR and formula one but these professional drivers know

[00:07:32] how to use their energy properly they know what you for you feels like

[00:07:37] they know what panic feels like and they actually know how to gauge it

[00:07:41] where you have rookie drivers who get excited and they just run and gun but

[00:07:46] these more experienced drivers and actually younger drivers that I've worked

[00:07:49] with they start to understand that when they're feeling you for it doesn't

[00:07:54] mean they have to run and gun that means they could slow it down and be

[00:07:58] more methodical and actually choose how they want to approach the course

[00:08:02] so even though it's lap after lap and by the way they're going pretty

[00:08:05] quick so these laps go really fast but for them to understand split second

[00:08:11] decisions where they can read themselves right so it's almost taking

[00:08:15] that internal data with the external data of the of the track and being

[00:08:20] able to make split second decisions in that moment and I've sat in one

[00:08:27] of these cores and I think I closed my eyes for about 30 minutes like

[00:08:31] these guys are crazy how do they do this the talent the mental awareness

[00:08:37] is absolutely incredible going back to your question for them to manage

[00:08:42] their energy

[00:08:44] is really a skill set of its own and to practice that to train that is

[00:08:49] what makes these guys great it's really like you hold a wheel

[00:08:55] and be so precise

[00:08:59] you're burning calories left and right even though it doesn't look like it's a

[00:09:02] football game or a soccer game or whatever it may be but the

[00:09:07] conditioning for these guys is really incredible yeah I mean I know

[00:09:12] they I mean we all know about the fact that the brain has this

[00:09:14] perception of time don't we in that it can slow down and speed up

[00:09:17] depending on the circumstance of what's going on and if we go through a

[00:09:20] crash you often see you people call it the life could go in front of

[00:09:23] your lives and part of this is the mental condition and to be able to

[00:09:26] train that process to work all the time because then of course what's

[00:09:30] happening is you're seeing the world in slow motion even they go very

[00:09:33] very quickly and that's that's quite an art but it's interesting

[00:09:37] what though when you come to business it's quite hard to really

[00:09:39] use that in a normal commercial setting because you don't have these

[00:09:44] I mean you can have a career limiting mistake where you make a

[00:09:46] mistake and you put the wrong bit of bit on the stock or something

[00:09:49] along those lines but the vast majority CEOs don't die if they

[00:09:52] make a slight mistake or a slight misjudgment so how do you how do

[00:09:57] you transfer some of the coaching skills from sport into business

[00:10:02] well it's interesting right so the feedback mechanism of fight or

[00:10:06] flight is very different when you talk about soldiers at war

[00:10:10] or sports that are actually could be death defying death defying as

[00:10:15] opposed to wall street where it's quick but it's so interesting how

[00:10:20] we are programmed as humans how evolution where we with the so-called

[00:10:26] cyber saber-tooth tiger isn't lurking around the corner but how

[00:10:30] is it as a trader to lose money and have the same neural feedback

[00:10:36] like it's about to die it's it's absolutely incredible so when you

[00:10:41] talk about CEOs maybe the feedback loop isn't as grave

[00:10:46] but it still has the same effect on the nervous system yeah that's

[00:10:50] right so the question is how do we able to deal with this so I always

[00:10:55] talk about slowing down to speed up slowing down as being intentional

[00:10:59] and what intentionality actually means is giving yourself space I

[00:11:05] feel a certain way I'm nervous I'm panicked there's a deadline or

[00:11:09] there's a trade-on or about to go around this corner or whatever the

[00:11:14] situation and to be able to give yourself space and not react so

[00:11:20] basically it's like okay I'm nervous I'm scared pause what am I looking

[00:11:26] to accomplish here by behaving to give yourself that mental space

[00:11:30] it puts you in a seat of consciousness otherwise we are reacting

[00:11:35] when we react we just go back to the familiar and the familiar awful

[00:11:40] usually is survival and as we know survival now doesn't benefit us the

[00:11:48] situations have changed so how do we create behavior given the

[00:11:53] feelings that we have that benefit us so oftentimes we need to have

[00:11:59] that mental space to make that decision well now you know it rates

[00:12:06] cards quicker wall street a little less quicker maybe business world a

[00:12:12] little longer but it's the same impact it has on us yeah you're still

[00:12:18] dealing with a human being at the end of the day still dealing with that

[00:12:20] is center the equation on day yeah right it means something to them

[00:12:24] yeah right where drivers are maybe more prone because this is what they

[00:12:26] know but it affects all of us so to to minimize anybody is a massive

[00:12:33] mistake yeah and how they feel what's what's the most common problem you

[00:12:38] see in the sort of business world with CEOs and such like and c-suite

[00:12:43] what's the thing you come across most frequently well as you know learn

[00:12:48] behavior you know how we were raised zero to 12 zero to 15 shows up

[00:12:52] always it's these where we think the experience is different but it's

[00:12:58] the same because reacting the same way whether it's out of fear of

[00:13:02] embarrassment rejection regret anger frustration if we're not able to

[00:13:09] recognize this in any field we are prone to repeat the same behavior

[00:13:16] so if you're in a boardroom and you feel embarrassed and adequate

[00:13:19] we're going to react whether it's in a trade missing fear of missing out

[00:13:26] or the fear of failure because the feel of failure is actually could be

[00:13:31] the fear of embarrassment of inadequacy of frustration so when we're able to

[00:13:38] get more granular what's going on with our feelings we're really able to from

[00:13:43] that point to really understand why this is happening and consciously be

[00:13:50] able to choose what we need to do going forward that benefits us and what

[00:13:54] happens is that because we were programmed a certain way growing up

[00:13:58] through learn be for our caregivers our environment we are actually through

[00:14:04] neuroscience now which is neuroplasticity we could actually reprogram our brains

[00:14:10] that actually benefit us now at any age that's pretty exciting yeah so the

[00:14:20] more we're aware the more we're conscious the more we're intentional of what we're doing

[00:14:25] the pathways start to rebuild and that's true i mean this theory of what wires together fires

[00:14:32] what fires together wires together always got those two things mixed up and that is meant

[00:14:36] to create learning and such like but um i think learn behavior is right um but it's

[00:14:42] interesting you talk about the fear of missing out i think the fears are quite interesting aren't

[00:14:45] they um and i think the the fear of other people's opinions i think that's one of this

[00:14:50] phopo thing that's now quite you know quite new that's really quite important because that is

[00:14:54] so much an absolute prerequisite for the human condition to be able to fit in to be able to

[00:15:03] judge working with other people without a tipping into fear and i think a lot of these

[00:15:08] fears are just where something what they start off as strengths don't they they start off as

[00:15:12] basic requirements and somehow they tip into um and then unwanted fear so i just wonder how

[00:15:18] you sort of work around those thoughts you know when you said it they were strengths well they

[00:15:26] were survival strengths you know what worked for me at 15 years old is no longer works for

[00:15:30] me at 52 but when i was 15 it worked you know my upbringing was different you know raised

[00:15:36] by a single mother my father wasn't there an older brother was handicapped and an identical

[00:15:40] twin brother so we survived a lot even though my mother was an incredible mom and and really

[00:15:46] was a great role model for us but the things i did when i was 15 i no longer need now

[00:15:53] so we have to understand that no longer serves me so and when we talk about being validated

[00:16:01] as you were saying earlier about fitting in and and perception when we're not validated early

[00:16:08] on we seek that external validation now there's nothing wrong with external validation

[00:16:17] if you have no internal validation and you were never validated early there is an issue there

[00:16:25] so so americans are famous saying to this thing aren't they and i work a lot internationally

[00:16:29] as well as in the states and uk um so how do you tackle internal validation so i'm assuming

[00:16:36] you're not going to say the well let's see what you do say so how do you tackle internal

[00:16:40] validation well it's telling you what you're gonna say so internal validation right giving

[00:16:46] ourselves credit right it's basically whatever it is so for a lot of people it's not all right i

[00:16:53] want to climb everest that's how i'm gonna get validation it doesn't work that way but what

[00:16:57] happens is that we never give ourselves credit along the way of this journey because we don't

[00:17:01] think we deserve it so my job as a coach is changing behavior and how do we do that how do

[00:17:10] we you know you have to go slow to speed up so how do we start reinforcing behaviors that validate

[00:17:18] the self now the easy ones are easy right working out cold showers these little things

[00:17:28] going to bed a little earlier they may seem inconsequential but we start to build something

[00:17:36] that gains momentum now when somebody comes to me about an issue about the leaf it's never

[00:17:44] about the leaf it's about the root something is wrong in the rooting system so even though

[00:17:50] they think it's this oftentimes it's not so we have to go back and work through what was

[00:17:58] going on before that in order for us to build a solid foundation of validation i can do this

[00:18:04] i can do this right because consistency with evidence builds confidence is there a risk that

[00:18:12] you get dangerously close to counseling or therapeutic work though a lot of coaches

[00:18:18] sometimes swerve into that i mean deliberately so because they're qualified both but i always

[00:18:25] i always wonder whether there needs to be some sort of clear blue water between

[00:18:28] therapies at work and coaching well it's interesting i saw a line yesterday it was great

[00:18:35] the coach says i'm not a therapist i'm in the product development business

[00:18:40] which i thought was pretty brilliant yeah but you know what but part of my practice is

[00:18:44] psychonical theory it is understanding how we grew up and do i test those waters absolutely

[00:18:52] however i have a coach and a supervisor who is who is a trained psychoanalyst

[00:19:00] who i speak to twice a week so i am always ahead of what's going on if i find something

[00:19:08] is i can't handle i pass it along yeah but what i do ask questions right we do

[00:19:16] unravel the onion a bit to see what's going on because you know the whole positive psychology

[00:19:23] movement is finding good when you know what's going on we need to know what was starting

[00:19:31] from yeah and when we're able to that we're able to build incredible foundation whether

[00:19:37] we can leverage that we know where fear comes from we know where we're not being valid

[00:19:42] where that comes from having a better understanding and not running away from it

[00:19:49] is invaluable you can think positive thoughts all you want ruskell but when stuff comes down

[00:19:56] the pipe in the world of reality and my clients aren't ready and can't find their footing

[00:20:02] quick enough then i am not doing my job where they're able to find mental space and make a

[00:20:09] decision when it's needed as opposed to thinking i hope it's sunny today and things will get

[00:20:13] better that doesn't work in the real world i think i think that's interesting um because

[00:20:22] i think one of the challenges with what you were saying earlier isn't it it's this idea

[00:20:27] of consciousness it's this idea of being in i don't want to use in the moment because

[00:20:30] it's been so so so cliched hasn't it it's just turning present in the moment process

[00:20:36] mindfulness all that stuff but i think that's that point about that mental space isn't it goes

[00:20:41] back to that nascar driver that ability to be able to slow the world down because you can

[00:20:46] manage your your cortex in the way that you're managing your fear responses the way that the

[00:20:51] hippocampus is writing information to your memory it's quite interesting that if you can

[00:20:57] slow time down there you can create the space to be able to make the choices and if you

[00:21:01] make the choices and you build the consciousness then you're no longer reacting which i guess is

[00:21:06] your logic isn't it that's where you're coming from i think well if you think about it right

[00:21:11] my job is to make the unconscious conscious then through repetition and practice

[00:21:18] certain things we do become unconsciously conscious yeah right and people call that flow

[00:21:23] people can call it different things we're like oh man he just because it's been so

[00:21:27] much practice we've done so when i say slow down to speed up the slowing down is being in

[00:21:33] the beginning so intentional in what we're doing that we're building these sequences

[00:21:41] that we can rely on we're literally reprogramming our brain so now when we have energy to do

[00:21:47] other things when we start to leverage ourselves not that we take for granted the

[00:21:51] work we've done but it's kind of in our play it's in our minds right it's it's already been

[00:21:57] mapped out so when a guy wakes up at five to work out it's he's done this already

[00:22:04] we've committed to this or when he's in a boardroom and how he communicates

[00:22:08] and how he slows down his speech we've worked on this intentionally so now we can move to the

[00:22:16] next thing we build foundations we stretch that's the best part of growth but it comes from

[00:22:26] evidence that we've done the work this is not oh i'm going to be a great speaker i've never

[00:22:33] practiced but if i think positive about it i can do it now could that work possibly

[00:22:40] but i'd rather have somebody who's done it who's worked at it who's confident based on

[00:22:45] the evidence it's a different ball game well it's rehearsal isn't it i mean this is the point you

[00:22:52] don't see you don't see nascar drivers going out without having practiced you don't see top

[00:22:57] athletes and my background's performance art so we rehearse and that and then and it's not

[00:23:02] not a surprise i mean things will go wrong but what you're doing is you're dealing with

[00:23:06] the things go wrong you're not dealing with everything but when things go wrong

[00:23:10] as opposed to crumbling we have built such a solid foundation brick by brick that the pullback

[00:23:23] is much more shallow because we have confidence we're going to put mental space we know how to

[00:23:28] reset quick i'm angry i'm frustrated you verbalize it we don't let it sit and ruminate in

[00:23:36] the back of our minds we acknowledge what's going on we find our footing right listen russell i'm

[00:23:43] allowed to feel inadequate at my age embarrassed i'm allowed to feel whatever i want yeah of course

[00:23:52] however i also have the ability to consciously choose how i behave yeah absolutely no i totally

[00:23:59] and that's powerful yeah you know it's amazing you give somebody permission to feel

[00:24:05] so no you can feel what what i mean i could feel like a loser i could feel an absolutely

[00:24:11] you can't control your feelings behaviors change before feelings yeah when i'm happy i'll do

[00:24:18] nope doesn't work though when i'm no longer angry nope doesn't work that way right you

[00:24:24] may feel new i spent 25 years on wall street my my assistant would look at me goes why are

[00:24:31] you nervous every day i said i am nervous every single day because but you don't act it i said

[00:24:38] what's the big difference i'm allowed to be nervous because it means something to me

[00:24:43] but i've trained myself to acknowledge it not put it on a shelf and actually use the

[00:24:49] intensity of that feeling to my benefit that is a game changer yeah so i don't have to play

[00:24:58] tug of war with these feelings no we could use them pretty wild right yeah well definitely

[00:25:08] i agree there's energy in yeah yeah i'm agreeing with you so i'm not i'm just it's it's yeah you

[00:25:14] and i preaching to the choir in a sense so we both agree this stuff um so you talked about

[00:25:20] learned behavior talked about fear talked about creating spaces and such like and i can sort of

[00:25:24] see your methodology rolling out is anything else which is part of your m1 approach which

[00:25:30] is something we need to think about you know for us it's our job as coaches is to listen

[00:25:40] to what you're not saying so you know so as a coach we have to ask questions that really

[00:25:46] explore the unconscious yeah and that's a very important thing and and and i really find

[00:25:53] pride and and really working with clients to uncover things not just we do this we do this

[00:26:01] we do this right we're setting a goal well we're not setting a goal because we don't know why we

[00:26:07] haven't obtained goals in the past in the past so we have to figure out before we set any goal

[00:26:14] where we're starting from yeah it really comes to understanding the client

[00:26:23] i can't have the same roadmap for russell as i do for adam or samantha

[00:26:29] however i do have a framework of how i operate you know people go to me sometimes drives them nuts

[00:26:36] russell they go what am i going to see results and i go i have no idea what do you mean you

[00:26:41] have no idea so i don't know where we're starting from i said but i will say this

[00:26:47] it's going to look a lot different i also think i also think that that question is quite

[00:26:51] fascinating because i always say to people well as soon as you show me because it's their

[00:26:58] it's their results not ours isn't it and i think i think a lot of people i mean a lot of people come

[00:27:03] to coaches therapists whatever and they're looking for a magic wand and i think what you're showing

[00:27:08] here and there's something i talk a lot about is there is effort in this process i mean there's

[00:27:13] cognitive effort because our brain has pruned a lot of the skills that we haven't used i

[00:27:17] mean that's why a lot of people don't have goals because they've pruned their ability to

[00:27:20] do it so it's there is effort involved in learning and i think for a lot of people they

[00:27:26] just tell me the answer and that'll be fine and people only hear people saying the same stuff

[00:27:29] and the trouble is with words like intentionality a purpose and consciousness and all that stuff

[00:27:35] the coach has to bring it to life for the individual client i think that's what i'm

[00:27:39] hearing you say well you know at the end of the day i'm not here to give you advice i'm

[00:27:46] not here to give you confidence i want to know one day when i'm gone we're good right

[00:27:53] now i have clients for five six years because we keep stretching and we keep growing and i

[00:27:57] and i love this i'm not it's not i'm in a life and out of your life we restart and we just add

[00:28:03] foundational levels after foundational levels and stretch stretch and i love that you know

[00:28:09] it's so interesting when people come to me they're usually stuck and i do enjoy the

[00:28:17] muddling process of getting out and start moving but really the magic happens when we

[00:28:23] start to really understand ourselves and to me the biggest gift is when my clients become

[00:28:30] students of themselves yeah so this is not reading self-help books this is like reading

[00:28:35] neuroscience books and then psychoanalyst theory and psychology books of like wait how does the

[00:28:39] brain really work and now they become able to coach themselves to me that is the greatest

[00:28:49] we're not you know because conversations change yeah and now they understand that their

[00:28:54] capability gaps are so dramatic not that we're chasing but what else am i capable of

[00:29:01] how do i work life balance how can i have 70 work 30 life and still kill it

[00:29:09] absolutely how present you know we talk about presence energy how do we use our energy what

[00:29:15] are our priorities what do we value what we don't what don't we value right addition by

[00:29:21] subtraction let's get rid of the shit we don't want and really focus on what we want

[00:29:28] so when you ask me is it just one mental model it's not it's really it's not linear

[00:29:40] but we start to see things and our vision starts to open up of what's what we're

[00:29:45] what we're capable of doing the things that we want and the things that we don't need any

[00:29:52] longer and you get a sense of lightness it's a it's a cry i mean yeah i know you do this but

[00:30:00] it's an incredible journey when people's eyes when it starts to connect i don't know when

[00:30:05] things connect it's just it's brilliant i think for me the joy of coaching has always been

[00:30:09] that bit where it's a bit like um the two views of bringing up children some people

[00:30:14] bring in their children up to be you know tied to their apron strings through the rest of

[00:30:18] their lives and some people bring them up to leave home and i think that's the purpose of

[00:30:22] coaching is that bit when you see that in their eyes to say yeah i've got this i've got this and

[00:30:27] i know and i have a system where i can use this for everything and not just this one thing

[00:30:32] and you and the sound leave you know and he's fantastic so i've now got room to start again

[00:30:36] and i think that's the point for me i you know there's a lot of people who like to tie

[00:30:40] in clients for the next 73 years um but for me it's the opposite i like to work with people

[00:30:46] who want to show some results because that's the point otherwise we're just sitting having

[00:30:51] a lovely conversation we're just having a podcast right but you know what's interesting though i agree

[00:30:57] with that right that's the difference between therapy and coaching yeah right i like results i

[00:31:01] like winning i'm an intense new yorker who likes to win not a good loser i don't like losing

[00:31:08] but it's interesting though i've had coaches in my life for significant periods of time and

[00:31:13] it's been invaluable and if i had the right coach unfortunately i had one that passed away

[00:31:19] years and years ago and he was much obviously he was much older i would have him in my life still

[00:31:24] yeah to feel that somebody that's in your corner that doesn't judge you that has your back

[00:31:32] that's a soundboard that we can discuss things through how and you become a mental consultant

[00:31:40] yeah i think everybody needs that and i think particularly coaches need it and i was very

[00:31:45] impressed when you were talking earlier about your supervisor and i think oh yeah few coaches

[00:31:49] have supervisors today it's an art supervising i call him yoda he's like 85 years old every time

[00:31:56] he coughs i freak out i'm like doc don't die on me please i need you you've been in my life

[00:32:02] for a long time i've been praying six sessions i need them i said how are we feeling today

[00:32:09] but it's really true like to have listen family unfortunately judges it's just how it is they

[00:32:16] want the best for you and sometimes their own mission gust gets involved

[00:32:20] but when you have a great coach who could listen and hear you and think without judgment

[00:32:32] i mean sign me up yeah right and and i do believe also russell that i am the result

[00:32:38] game right that's what i do but doesn't mean that you can't stretch clients yeah right we

[00:32:46] define results because we've never got it there's never a moment where all right i got it right

[00:32:54] if it is then then good for you i haven't seen it right but do we stretch accumulate and go

[00:33:02] again or do we build things out in our life that we want different do we make pivots in

[00:33:07] life like i did from from wall street to coaching yeah right well it's your thing about the

[00:33:13] buddhist way isn't it when you do reach the top of the mountain you see there's another one in

[00:33:16] front of you yeah now in in our country m1 is a great big motorway that's stuck runs from

[00:33:23] london up to leeds so tell us about your organization and how people can find out more

[00:33:28] about you and engage with you so i'm on social media so i started social media about

[00:33:33] two and a half months ago the biggest fear in my life i'm 52 years old i feel like a dinosaur

[00:33:38] so i'm currently on linkedin instagram and twitter my website is m1performancegroup.com

[00:33:50] it's been a joy to chat evan i really thank you very much for your time i've got such a

[00:33:54] fantastic speaking voice so it's been lovely to listen to you as well so i appreciate

[00:33:57] a good practice sounding more manly this afternoon so

[00:34:02] russell it was really a pleasure meeting you and i hopefully we could have a part too because

[00:34:07] i didn't realize what time it was i know i've just been respectful of your time

[00:34:10] speak soon take care really appreciate all the best i appreciate it again bye now thanks for

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