Naomi Riley - Maintaining a positive mindset

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[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey and welcome back to Resilience Unravelled and today I'm talking to Naomi Riley from

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the United States. Is that right Naomi?

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes it is from Grand Rapids Michigan.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh where's say where, where was that from?

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_00]: From Grand Rapids Michigan. We're known for all of the lakes.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So Europe, Chicago we were there or even more north than that?

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah we're just about three hours north of Chicago.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Ah wow I didn't think it was possible to go three hours north without being in Canada

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's such a huge country isn't it? It is, it's a big country.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And where are we located here Mr Dr Zachary?

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I'm in the northeast of England so we're probably on a very similar sort of

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: line of longitude I think it is but yeah yeah yeah but we have the ghost

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: normally we have the ghost stream in a place that makes us warm and

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: okay yeah we've had all sorts of con...

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well look thank you for joining us with us. Why don't you introduce yourself tell us a

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: little bit about who you are and what it is that you get up to?

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure so my name is Naomi Riley I am a business consultant and motivational speaker

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: on mental health and overcoming adversities and finding your own resilience within yourself.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I work now just as an advisor and go around and talk about the various ways that we can

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: inspire ourselves to be that better person or that best person that we can be always.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So I was... Oh sorry go ahead.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: No no carry on we've always got a bit of a gap when we're on the stage.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Carry on sorry to interrupt that question in a minute go on go for it.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so just to give you a background on myself when I was a child I was diagnosed with

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: a bad illness called JRA juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and yeah and so I had to kind of

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: come up with my own resilience when I was young. The doctors didn't diagnose me until

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I was seven but they thought I had had it since I was three and so when you're a child

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: you know being diagnosed with an illness and your growth in your bones and stuff can hurt

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: really really bad. So from early early early early stages I started building my own resilience.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Fast forward to 2017 I was in a car accident and had a brain injury and

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_00]: you know life yeah you know life just takes its toll and we have to still rise up to try to be

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that better person that best person that you can be all the time. So it's an interesting

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: phrase better person and best person what does it mean in reality? You know I think that

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_00]: there's always a way that we can we wake up our day and it's either we're in a good mood

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: or we're in a oh we didn't sleep that well last night or or we're just you know having a

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_00]: having a not so great day but if we can center ourselves in the morning and practice

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_00]: gratitude for each day we can always have the best mindset ever to look at the right you

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: know every day the right way. You know when I was young I would be so grumpy sometimes

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: just being a young girl you know because I was in so much pain and I actually would ask God to

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: take me back home because as a child you really don't know why you're struggling so

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: much and your brain hasn't really developed. So I just remember you know being in that

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: mindset you know we can get in this depression all of us have that high and low type of

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess everything we go through right in life and if we set our mindset to say

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I am grateful I am thankful and today is going to be a great day no matter what I face

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: it's going to set our mind for the best things possible. If we always just hope something

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: great is going to happen that's just a great mindset to have and then if it doesn't that's

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: okay but still you've had you have a great mindset for the day.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But how do you choose that great mindset because your talk never has been a conscious

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: choice. How do we choose that mindset? So one of the things that I like to do in the morning

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: is to just sit before I check my phone before I check anything to sit and meditate you know sit

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and just think what am I grateful for today. I'm grateful that I have a roof over my head.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm grateful that I have meals provided to me. I am grateful for my children for the health of

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: the people around me. Those things can give you a good mindset right and so you tend to think that

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: okay I am thankful for this. I am grateful for this. This is going to set me in a positive way

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know you just open up your mind and just think okay this is good. I can move forward

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: this way. So that is one thing that I choose to do in every single morning of my life because

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: then I know that I am presenting my best self every single day.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But there must be times when your best self is less best than you might want it to be

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_02]: because of all sorts of things which are going on because that's good because I always

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: find the best self idea a bit difficult to understand because it almost implies

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: there is a standard of best selves but it's relative to your own ability isn't it?

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It is yeah and you know so we can get comfortable in our own routines, our daily lives right

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and who we are and we never want to be too comfortable with our surroundings. We want to

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: look at every opportunity as something that you know should open our minds and you know

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_00]: just kind of okay so when let me give you an example. When I was a young girl I never wanted

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: to go to therapy because I knew it would hurt. I knew it would just you know adjusting my

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_00]: bones and in my ligaments was really it was hard but the doctors at that time were doing

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: best thing that they could do to help me maintain my mobility. When I was young I was

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_00]: told that I would be in a wheelchair by age 18. I wanted to apply those odds but I knew it was

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: going to be really hard and I didn't want to go and so I would fight my parents and you know

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_00]: just fight myself half the time right? I didn't want to do it but my mom would always

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_00]: say why don't you say a prayer and just try and so I did you know I would always you

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_00]: know thank God that I was still alive and I wasn't like going through something that was so so bad

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I would just go and do the best that I could and so now you know we have to just you know

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: there's some things that we just have to do that are not comfortable. So getting out of

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that comfort zone is probably sometimes the best thing that we can do for ourselves.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I look at fear as face everything and rise instead of you know the other way.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: You know it's just we it's the way we look at things too that can really help us determine

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: our course of life. Yes no I totally agree with that I mean it's not a thing that happens

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_02]: the way we look at the thing that has happened that defines the thing and ourselves

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That makes a lot of sense. Okay that's really useful so I like the idea of you giving

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of lots of these I like a tip and I like a mnemonic and that's very good but I know

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: you would tell me that you've written lots of books maybe you can talk to me a little bit

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_00]: about that because there are a lot. There's several yeah one that I love is emotional

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_00]: intelligence. You know I think that we have become a culture that has have become so sensitive

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_00]: to everything that goes on around us the things that people say or how they treat us or

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_00]: things that people do that might offend us and you know I you know I I have been a

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I used to coach kids for a certain time in my life and kids are always the best audience

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: because they're so great they're so forgiving they're so just they love life right and one

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: of the things that we can do is to you know kind of just brush things off and not be so

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_00]: sensitive to the world around us. Emotional intelligence really helps to say okay

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: so and so did this to me or so and so said this about me how do I feel about that? Yeah

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: it might not feel good but I have to like look the other way and I have to say okay

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: that situation was not fun but that is not the problem. The problem isn't me the

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: problem is the person that was the aggressor towards me and I need to really hone in on my

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: true values and my true core to know who I am to rise up to rise above and to know that

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to put myself in that situation again. You know that is so key to living out

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: your best life. The people that we surround ourselves with the ones that bring out the

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_00]: best in us are the ones that we need to be associating ourselves with. If we're

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: associating ourselves with you know individuals that are not good for our mindset that maybe

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: might bring us down or you know have negative attributes or things that you might just come

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: across and you guys are not you're not good for each other you're toxic right? We know

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_00]: relationships happen we know they're out there so it's our job to break away from those

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and to say okay I know this isn't healthy for me I know I can do better so I need to change

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_00]: who I am to make sure that that happens. So in emotional intelligence you're going to find a

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_00]: talked with many on how you have to let go and not let you know individuals affect you so much

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: personally. That's the you know the easiest it's not easy trust me it's not easy because

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_00]: you're going to have your core group of people that you really trust around you

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_00]: but then you're going to have another circle that are people that you you know but you

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: don't know them well enough to whether you can trust them or not right but it really hurts when

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: there's someone that's really close to you that does break your trust and so then you have to

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: re-evaluate that relationship. You know I think that at the end of the day you're going to

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: always look back on your life and say okay did I do the things I wanted to do? Did I

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: didn't make the influence that I wanted to make and did I inspire those that I wanted to

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: inspire? You know not did I hang in this group or did I do this you know we're not going to

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: think about those things. I always say people will we're going to always remember not the way

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: not what someone said or what they did we're always going to remember how they made you feel

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: so just think about those things in life did they make you feel good or did they not make

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_00]: you feel good? Walk away from the things that didn't make you feel that great.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So but one of the things you said earlier is that we make choices about how we are and how

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: we are and our mood and our mindset and how we feel so I think it was Eleanor Jackson who said

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: we can only feel bad with our own consent so because of course in business and in the

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: commercial world or in schools or any organization sometimes you have to put up with the people

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: you've got and it's about how you avoid letting people who are toxic or with whom you have a poor

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: relationship what you have to protect yourself and that's all about the choices you make isn't it?

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's for me I never like to walk away from a poor relationship because often thought I think

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: that's where we have the most to learn and I just wonder what you think about that because

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: actually at work we can't walk away we have to be able to get on with people don't we?

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: We might not like them. We do. But we can respect them or we can actually tolerate them or we can

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: but we don't have to get bent out of shape it's surely it's not about how we feel it's about

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: how we deal with people. Yeah yeah that you're right that's a fine line especially at work

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and those relationships that you need to coexist together I think that one of the

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_00]: best things that we can do when we have a toxic relationship that we're dealing with at work is

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_00]: just you know maybe teach them a lesson maybe teach them certain things about yourself that

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_00]: you could be that you know just you are the light you know and help them see like they

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_00]: are worthy and they are more than who they are being okay so what I'm seeing is as long as you

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: know you know that you're doing the most the right thing in the relationship you know you're

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: not you're not going after each other. Yeah. I think that you know there's always going to be

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: that get along and ones that don't and the more that we engage in our best self again our better

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_00]: self the better off it's going to be you know we're seeing so much turmoil and we're seeing

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: so much aggression and fighting in our countries and it's so so hard to see and you know our

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: job is to keep the peace our job is to really like say okay we can become better we can do better

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: we cannot be so angry and that's a challenge isn't it in the face of a lot of people with

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of power who are out going out of their way to to make themselves be feel good at the

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: expense of the rest of us and that's not fair it's not fair but it's but unfortunately

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: it's the practicalities of life isn't it so you we can see it all over all of the world

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: we see a mobilization of intents and such like and sometimes our best self can be quite ugly

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: can't it because we're having to deal with ugly situations and it's and sometimes in terms of

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: our resilience we have to understand that we have to adapt different strategies not always

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: about being passive and you know sometimes we have to defend ourselves and look after ourselves

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and and i think you made a really interesting point which is that when somebody's being

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: horrible or offensive or whatever it is they're doing it because it usually gets their reaction

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: they want and you not joining in is the key with this isn't it so it's tricky when there's

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: politics involved but i mean at a one-to-one level that's really all that's all it's about

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_00]: really isn't it it is yeah it is and it's just you know i think that there is just

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: this culture that we have allowed to happen where we're just engaging on this surface level

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: where we're not really looking at well what what's going on underneath that might cause

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: the person to do this to another human being you know there there's so much there's so many

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_00]: things you know that we can look at from childhood traumas to ptsd to things that might

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: have happened in one's life to make them the way that they are and it's really important

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_00]: that you know we kind of hone back a little bit and say okay what did this person go through

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: that made them like this to to to cause the reactions that they're they're doing

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: one of our projects is called the text pledge project we engage students to look at 10 of the

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: biggest epidemics that we're seeing in society and that takes you know distract distracted driving

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_00]: discrimination acts of violence with or without weapons and then there's so many others but

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_00]: we engage students to become mentally more emotionally intelligent and then we also

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_00]: engage them to protect themselves a little bit more protect the environment and animal

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_00]: rights and so that became um dr. Thackeray a result of my car accident so i was hit by a

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_00]: distracted driver and i became a savant and so then i spent seven and a half years of research

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_00]: um you know uh with teams coming up with this project so that we could bring out some

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: deliverables to the education systems that might help create a more peaceful society

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: overall um for our youth that's excellent work um okay so so you talked about emotional intelligence

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: i know you've got an anxiety tool okay and it's interesting in the books front because a lot of

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: i talk to lots of people who've written one book and so it's very admirable when you've

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: written many and i suppose once you've written one it's easier to write the next but um but

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: i mean you've got lots and some of them are gay towards adults would you say and some towards

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_00]: youths would you say is that is that the sort of idea yes yeah so um you know i would love to take

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: credit for all these amazing books but i can't because i do have teams that come together and

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_00]: we talk and we put these together um most of them are ebooks they're about 60 to 75 pages

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and um they have lots of pictures and and they're pretty easy reads um yes we have uh

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_00]: three um three really good ones for youth and adults uh coping with grief uh overcoming anxiety

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and um for youth we have um for the lowest for youngest levels we have uh coping with grief too

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_00]: so um and then we we do have another one on our mindset um and you know again i would love

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_00]: love to take credit for all these but i i cannot i do have an amazing assistant who helps with the

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: the youth books and um she's been really incredible but with the techs pledge we have

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: an education team that has developed uh these curriculums so yeah there's lots of uh lots of

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_00]: people behind this all of our work so um but yeah you know if you wanted to talk on

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_00]: anxiety um yeah i'd be more than happy to for a couple moments and then you know share with

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: you a little bit on the grief too um you know with anxiety we all get anxious from time to time

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_00]: no matter what we're going through um and again it's taking the moments that we need to take

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_00]: slowing down breathing one of the most important things we can do when we're

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_00]: going through those panic attacks or those anxiety moments is to really just sit down and say

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_00]: you know take a deep breath and count back 10 you know 10 9 8 7 6 you know and take those

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_00]: moments in between each number to take those moments in and say okay i'm gonna get through

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: no matter what it is and we're gonna keep moving forward um when panic ensues and anxiety ensues

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_00]: it's so so stressful i know it i've been through it and it is probably one of the most

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: scariest things that one can go through i look at it is like it is a crisis state

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_00]: because at times it can be for a lot of people and i explain that the brain's ability

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: when in crisis mode is to freeze to flight to fight or to fawn and we never know on how

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: one's brain is going to act when it's in crisis and so it's really important that we just sit

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_00]: there for a moment there's a there's a verse in the bible i'm not sure if any of you are

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: religious or not but i really am it says be still unknown so shut your eyes for five minutes

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and just say you know please get me through this whatever i'm challenged with just get

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_00]: me through this i know that my situation will change and so that's probably one of the most

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_00]: important things that we can do when we're having an anxiety or panic attack now i would

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: love to speak with speak with you on grief and overcoming that for a moment um so my um

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: one of my very close friends about seven years ago was dealing with a mental illness that i was not

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_00]: that familiar with she came into my life and i had not known her for very long

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and um she had called me one night saying that she was in a crisis mode and that could i come

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_00]: over well this was really really late at night and i had i could not come over at that

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: she had called five other people too that same night we had given her a couple tactics to use

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: but she she she chose not to use them and she ended up taking her life so it was very very

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_00]: difficult for me back then um to get through that because i had some guilt um within myself

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: i had to kind of get through on the should have and what i was and could have right one thing i do

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_00]: talk about is that when um we never know what tomorrow can bring you know we're seeing lots

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_00]: of catastrophes happen all over the world and violence and there's so many things that happen

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and of course we want to protect ourselves as much as we can but we just never know when we

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_00]: know students and and even my uncle you know are we're victims to walking out of the door

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_00]: thinking everything was going to be okay and the next thing you know they're gone so we really have

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_00]: i really talk about um making sure that when we're presenting our best self put that positive

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: energy out there never negative because we never know if we're going to have that interaction

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_00]: with someone again um but overcoming the grief that takes some time it's not easy to get over

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: some of the things that we can do is to really um think about the times that that person was

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_00]: in your life and think about the good things that they did and the things that made you

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_00]: laugh and smile and and all the joyous times that you had some of the things that we would

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_00]: do is get together as friends and and remember the things that she would do that made us laugh

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: we would write them all down even if it was just we spent an hour together reminiscing

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and so that's a great way to remember your loved one another thing that i would do was um

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_00]: because i was struck in with so much guilt of the shoulda would have could have i would sit

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: there for about 15 minutes and just say a nightly prayer i would pray to god to know

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_00]: she was okay and in heaven and just to know that um she was at peace and asked god for guidance

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: to to keep giving her that peace in her soul i really believe in god and the spirit world

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and i believe that we do have uh heaven here after earth so um that those are just my tips

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_02]: there's some really practical things that and i think um you're right sometimes we um forget

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: to celebrate um because because we're dealing with the grief side which is about our loss we

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: forget the positive side of things so so Naomi if people want to find out more about your work

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: or to access all these different resources how do they do that all right you can go to

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_00]: neomielreiley.com to learn more about me and my portfolio and everything that i do and my team

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: very good and that's uh riley with r-i-l-e-y so it's yes yes r-i-l-e-y

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah and i will give you um i'll give you all a free book you guys can download and and um

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_00]: read for all you want you can stick it right on the website

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: fantastic you see generosity that's so wonderful generous and spirit as well as deed thank you

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: so much for spending time with us today thank you so much for having me in a pleasure

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: thank you so much do you take care yes you too

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